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Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« on: Monday 28 May 18 16:01 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I just wondered if any one can help me with this mystery please?

The quest for George's family began when I discovered his existance on my 3rd great grandmother's wedding certificate. Louisa Palmer married Isaac Myers in 1879 in Wednesbury, fathers are George Palmer and Isaac Myers, both confectioners.

I looked for census records for a George with a daughter called Louisa and found the 1871 census (Piece 2982, folio 20,pg33), Father George, mother Harriet. I then looked for a George and Harriet getting married and found George marrying a Harriet Rogers, July 1857, Nottingham. I then used the mdn Rogers to find Louisa's birth :1864 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 238. George was born in Bunny, Nottinghamshire.

I have the 1861 (circus performer) , 71 (confectioner) , 81 and 91 census returns for George and Harriet.

I think I am certain I have the right George, I wondered if any one might be able to tell me George's father's name from his marriage certificate please?

In the 1951 census piece 2077, folio 171,pg 16,there is a George born to a John and Ann in 1838, bunny Nottinghamshire. It could be him. In GRO he is listed but the mdn is not. It is possible the mother's maiden name was Haynes as his later siblings are listed with this name on GRO.

Now here is the odd bit, in 1840 there is a George Hanson Palmer born 1840 in Bunny, Nottinghamshire. He is the son of John and Jane and on ancestry people give her the surname Haynes. All of their children are the same as John and Ann's apart from their middle names. They all go to America in abt 1858,including George Hanson who married a Sarah so he can't be my George BUT the order and dob and names of siblings are very similar +/-2yrs!!!

As many of you have far more experience than me I would really appreciate what thoughts and suggestions you may have about this please.

Best wishes Emma :)
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 May 18 16:19 BST (UK) »
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I think I am certain I have the right George, I wondered if any one might be able to tell me George's father's name from his marriage certificate please?

You would have to order the marriage certificate to view fathers details - if any.  If he was illegitimate there may be no father listed. 
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In GRO he is listed but the mdn is not.

That would indicate he was illegitimate BUT if you think his mothers name was Haynes then his birth could be registered under that surname not Palmer. 
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 May 18 16:22 BST (UK) »
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I think I am certain I have the right George, I wondered if any one might be able to tell me George's father's name from his marriage certificate please?

You would have to order the marriage certificate to view fathers details - if any.  If he was illegitimate there may be no father listed.

Hello, thank you very much. I will save up to order the certificate as it would be useful. I just wondered if it might also be in a parish register, I tried freereg but no joy :( thank you for getting back to me. All the best :)
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 May 18 16:46 BST (UK) »
I canít see this George Hanson Palmer you refer to - what is the source for him please?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 May 18 16:53 BST (UK) »
You say that George Palmerís 1838 birth is shown in the GRO index without a motherís maiden name, but I am not seeing it at all.  Registration district for Bunny should be Basford.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 May 18 17:14 BST (UK) »
Hi all the 1840 birth could be the George Harwood Palmer In Bunny parents John /Jane, and also a possible George Palmer 19th February 1838 St Mary Nottingham Mother Elizabeth abode Brook Street.
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 May 18 17:18 BST (UK) »
I canít see this George Hanson Palmer you refer to - what is the source for him please?

I am really sorry I got the middle name wrong it is George Harwood Palmer, Christened Bunny, Nottinghamshire 1840 may 21st., to John and Jane. England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 from the family search website. It also came up as a hint on ancestry. Co. UK.
Hope that helps?
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 May 18 17:23 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately we donít know how old George Harwood Palmer was at the time of his 1840 baptism.  Canít see a birth registration, so perhaps he was born before civil registration began on 1 July 1837.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 May 18 17:32 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately we donít know how old George Harwood Palmer was at the time of his 1840 baptism.  Canít see a birth registration, so perhaps he was born before civil registration began on 1 July 1837.

 Thanks for looking. On the New York State census 1875 it has his b as 1840 but he could have been born before this as you mention. It could also be that although his middle name was Harwood when he was christened he was registered as only George Palmer?
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