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Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 21:41 BST (UK) »
11 April 1862. Birth of Alexander Gordon, son of Alexander G and Jane MacDonald, at Clashmarloch, Aberlour
17 January 1866. Birth of John Gordon, son of Alexander G and Jane MacDonald
6 September 1868. Birth of Jane Rigby, daughter of William R and Janet Marshall
25 July 1872. Birth of Margaret Rigby, daughter of William R and Janet Marshall
15 October 1892. John Gordon, son of Alexander G and Jane MacDonald, marries Jane Rigby, daughter of William R and Janet Marshall
1 August 1898. Margaret Rigby, daughter of William R and Janet Marshall, gives birth to an illegitimate child.
5 September 1898. Maggie Rigby, 78 Moss Street compeared before the Keith Kirk Session confessing to having given birth to an illegitimate child and charging Alexander Gordon, coachman, Blairgowrie as the father, and who has admitted paternity.
12 May 1906. Death of Jane Rigby or Gordon, daughter of William R and Janet Marshall and wife of John Gordon
30 March 1908. William Rigby, husband of Janet Marshall and father of Jane Rigby or Gordon and of Margaret Rigby, applies to Keith Parochial Board. He states inter alia that his daughter Margaret is keeping house for a brother-in-law in Glasgow.
22 August 1910. John Gordon, son of son of Alexander G and Jane MacDonald and widower of Jane Rigby, marries his sister-in-law Margaret Rigby, daughter of William R and Janet Marshall

Question. Is Alexander Gordon, son of Alexander G and Jane MacDonald, the coachman in Blairgowrie who was the father of Margaret Rigby’s illegitimate child?

I have all the relevant birth, marriage and death certificates, and all the census records except those for Alexander Gordon after 1881. For the sake of simplicity I have not listed five children of Maggie's and six of Jane's, not all of whom were born in wedlock, or any of the siblings of Alexander and John or of Jane and Maggie, all of whom I know about.
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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 June 18 22:32 BST (UK) »
Where was Alexander in 1881 & what was his occ. then?

There's a young Alexander on 1881 Blairgowrie (born Blair) 18yrs b c1863 with parents David & Agnes at 6 Croft Lane, working as "Spinner Flax & Son"

I haven't yet looked for him being there prior/later

Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 June 18 22:38 BST (UK) »
Where was Alexander in 1881 & what was his occ. then?
D***! It is John whom I have in 1881, not Alexander.

However there is an Alexander Gordon, aged 18, born Glenrinnes, a farm servant in the household of John Innes at Wester Achmore, Mortlach, in 1881, who is a definite possibility for Alexander.
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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 June 18 22:44 BST (UK) »
Ok, 1891 this Alexander (assuming it's the same one from 1881) is now married with occ. Drapers Traveller!!!

Still in Blairgowrie at 18 Brown St.

So, where did he take the 'Drapery' & by what means...a 'Coach'  ???

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 June 18 22:51 BST (UK) »
However there is an Alexander Gordon, aged 18, born Glenrinnes, a farm servant in the household of John Innes at Wester Achmore, Mortlach, in 1881, who is a definite possibility for Alexander.

I did see him along the way!

So far it's looking like 2 different chaps after all?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 June 18 23:06 BST (UK) »
I can't see the draper in Blair being the culprit. If he was a married man the KS would have had to make a much bigger fuss, and refer it to the Presbytery, because it would have been adultery. Unless the wife (Emily) had died, and there's no death of a likely-looking Emily Gordon before 1898 in the SP index.

They're not in Scotland in 1901.
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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 June 18 23:15 BST (UK) »
Would seem strange to pick a place like Blair tho' if it wasn't true  ???

I wonder how they would have gone about getting hold of Alexander & how easy it would be to omit having a wife  :-\

If he was there on a regular basis it may have been a simple case of calling him in en route?

There's also the fact there would have been no need to lie about your James Alexander (if it's him with the Innes family) as he was single?

Annie

Edited...as Forfarian questioned my error  ::)
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 02 June 18 23:24 BST (UK) »
Aha! You gave me an idea, Annie, which led me to the marriage of Alexander Gordon, son of Alexander G and Jane MacDonald, to Isabella Fraser in Urray in 1887. There's no death of Isabella Fraser or Gordon before 1901, so the same objections tend to rule out this Alexander Gordon as rule out the draper in Blair.

So they didn't keep it in the family. Pity, it would have made a better story :(

And the question now is, "Who was the coachman in Blairgowrie?"
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Re: Keeping it in the family, Banffshire style?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 June 18 23:25 BST (UK) »
1901 "Emily Pordon" yet hubby is "Alexander Gordon" (Fancestry)

SP...
GORDON EMILY
1901
41
282/1 31/ 15 St Peter, Angus

Hubby born Fife

Annie

Ooops, was laughing at your "Pity, it would have made a better story" & forgot to add Alexander (Blair) is now at 2 Anfield Row, Liff & Benvie as a Railway Carter.
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"