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Josiah Macdonald mcdonald
« on: Sunday 03 June 18 02:02 BST (UK) »
God this place is huge and  bound to ger in trouble for posting in the wrong place, I do apologise unreservedly.
I can see somebody on here who is searching for the same person as me but can't contact her directly, I have yo make 2 posts first in the forum, so I'm hoping this is the way to go.
I'm looking for anybody who is also looking for josiah Macdonald or josiah mcdonald from stockport born 1891.
He has a brother Thomas born 1889 I think and possibly a sister.
Josiahs surname on his marriage certificate is MAC but I cannot find any birth certificates with MAC on them. Thomas I can only find MC birth entries.
Stuck.com to say the least!
Ppinkies69 please reply to this if you can as I think were searching the same person .

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Re: Josiah Macdonald mcdonald
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 June 18 04:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Bizzweed,

Is this is the other topic you refer to?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=447521.0

The OP there, easyqueenie, hasn't been on Rootchat since August 2012 - but if she is still receiving RC notification emails, she may respond to a post on that topic or to a PM (once you have made your minimum public ) posts.

Reading that post, it appears there is some suggestion her missing Jesse McDONALD son of Bernard McDONALD and Sarah HALLSWORTH, may be Josiah McDONALD who is in the Workhouse in 1901:

1901: 68 Church Gate (Home), Stockport, Cheshire
 RG13 - Piece 3297 / Folio 58 / Pg 22
Workhouse Boy: Thomas McDONALD 11,
Workhouse Boy: Josiah McDONALD 9,

Among a number of Workhouse boys aged 6 to 14, at that separate Workhouse address, under the care of a Matron. Those two are listed together as shown, and perhaps are siblings as they listed together but it is not known if they are (siblings). There is another boy, Bernard McDONALD 11, also listed a bit above them.

Have you see the following? Or maybe you are one of the posters here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gwfattachments/monthly_07_2010/post-9371-035481100%201280245068.jpg

which includes photos of Josiah (who died WW1, 1916)

I wouldn't place too much stock in the MAC / MC  variations - especially in official documents - they would often get interchanged. In fact, the record of Soldier's Effects for Josiah, has him as McDONALD.

He married Frances Elizabeth TUNSTALL in 1913.   Was a father's name on his marriage lines?

You say he may have had a sister? Do you have a name or any other details?

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AMBLY
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Re: Josiah Macdonald mcdonald
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 June 18 21:37 BST (UK) »
Hi ambly many thanks for your speedy response, I was actually looking at another person named Ppinkie69
Who was looking for a josiah Macdonald too, the lady you put on I did read her post but a lot of things didn't seem right with that post however now thinking about some of the other facts you gave about the workhouse now clears things up a little. I do have quite a lot of artefacts on josiah as he is my paternal great grandad, I have his marriage certificate (copy obviously) and that does list Bernard as his father, unfortunely by the time josiah married in 1913 to Frances he is already deceased (got to follow that one up)
My auntie or josiahs great niece tells me she remembers there being an uncle Thomas (he died in 1918) and also a lady mentioned who became a nun and went to a convent, she seems not too clear on the name but for some reason fiona comes to the tip of her tongue. (Although I feel that name is too modern for then? Maybe I'm wrong!)
As mentioned by yourself josiahs name appears as McDonald in the military, I joined the military and had similar problems and that's in the 21st century lol, his death plaque also names him MC but his marriage certificate names him MAC and if I remember rightly is signed mac by josiah.
Thankyou for providing his mothers name that's another lead to chase up if it is indeed his mother.
Many thanks for all your help once again too. Just hoping I can now get in touch with the two girls that are also after him.
Ps which site are you using for the workhouse details?
Kindest regards, daz

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Re: Josiah Macdonald mcdonald
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 June 18 06:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Daz,

 :) I am only looking at the 1901 Census, where Josiah is in a home associated with the workhouse.

I can't find any Rootschat posts to the user ppinkies69 - the profile says "offline" and was last active 2011.  There is only the listing in Surname Interests:
http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-surnames.php?chatter_id=158073

(That handle "ppinkies69" brings up a few hits if you google it. Tip: You will find an actual name and an active instagram account to try contact her on if you have or would get onto, IG )

All in all , and particularly so with your Josiah giving his father's name as "Bernard" on his marriage, it does very much look as if the Jesse MCDONALD, son of Bernard and Sarah per easyqueenies post is your man, doesn't it?

This is another of her posts.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=446856.msg3092975#msg3092975

Maybe starting there and reworking it all, combining all the clues/data/ will help.....my hunch is there will be one clue somewhere amongst that all that will tie it all together.

You mention:

Josiah in 1911.  I've seen it - but I can't post the details (Rootschat will deem it an illegal lookup if I do). Could you do that, post up the details?

Note: The GREEN family, with whom he is associated in records of his WW1 death & memorials etc,
The wife Rose Hannah GREEN was born Rosina Hannah ANTHONY in Southwark.
The mms of her two sons (Leonard and Albert) by her husband  is "ANTHONY"
(I'd followed up these leads trying to see if she could have been Josiah's mother, born before she married Arthur - results were, that  it didn't seem likely to me).

Brother , Thomas
. You say he died in 1918? What are the  proven details about him - and how is it established he is a brother?

ps: I posted the wrong link to the other forum that had included a photo of Josiah. It should be https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/148243-josiah-macdonald/

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Josiah Macdonald mcdonald
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 June 18 09:44 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for anybody who is also looking for josiah Macdonald or josiah mcdonald from stockport born 1891.
He has a brother Thomas born 1889 I think and possibly a sister.

Greetings, and a (slightly belated) warm welcome to Rootschat

Two very useful sites for checking BMDs after 1837 in England and Wales are FreeBMD and the General Register Office (GRO).  You have to register for the GRO but it is free to search.  FamilySearch is a good source for free census transcripts.

Freebmd has a marriage:
Dec qtr 1883 Stockport vol 8a p127 - four names on the page including McDONALD Bernard and HALLSWORTH Sarah Hannah

Using the surnames, a search on the GRO website for Lancashire births in or after 1883 gives:
Mar qtr 1886 Stockport vol 8a p32 McDONALD William mmn HALLSWORTH
Dec qtr 1886 Stockport vol 8a p69 McDONALD Sarah Ellen mmn HALLSWORTH
Mar qtr 1888 Stockport vol 8a p77 McDONALD William mmn HALLSWORTH
Jun qtr 1889 Stockport vol 8a p50 MacDONALD Bernard mmn HALLSWORTH
Jun qtr 1891 Stockport vol 8a p32 McDONALD Jesse mmn HALLSWORTH
Dec qtr 1894 Stockport vol 8a p26 McDONALD Agnes mmn HALLSWORTH
Sep qtr 1897 Stockport vol 8a p36 McDONALD William mmn HALLSWORTH

and the same website for deaths:
Mar qtr 1886 Stockport vol 8a p26 McDONALD William age 0
Jun qtr 1887 Stockport vol 8a p55 McDONALD Sarah Ellen age 0
Sep qtr 1888 Stockport vol 8a p38 McDONALD William age 0
Dec qtr 1896 Liverpool vol 8b p80 McDONALD Bernard age 36
Dec qtr 1897 Stockport vol 8a p16 McDONALD William age 0
Mar qtr 1902 Stockport vol 8a p23 McDONALD Sarah Ann age 40

There is no guarantee that all the above deaths are for the McDONALD/HALLSWORTH family.  For example - if Sarah Ellen appears on the 1891 census she could not have died in 1887!  The 1891 census should give ages for Bernard and Sarah (although ages on official records are not always accurate!) and enable you to check if the above deaths fit the family.

It would be good if the Rootschatters on the other threads relating to the family responded but if not - enjoy making discoveries and allowing us to help when we can.

All the best
Philip
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