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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #18 on: Monday 04 June 18 15:09 BST (UK) »
Malachi, Mary & John T in 1881  :-\

RG11 / 4855 f66 p41
22, Lawson Street, Linthorpe, Middlesbrough
John Hughes age 42 occ Puddler born Ireland
Mary Hughes age 42 bn Ireland
John T Hughes age 19 bn Oldham
John T Keaning age 5 (Lodger) bn Middlesbrough
two other lodgers bn Ireland

That is brilliant Rosie, thanks so much for that. There are too many coincidences for that not to be the family, can I ask you what site the RG11 / 4855 f66 p41 refers to? I have found the census on Ancestry but it would be good to know for future reference. Also what makes you think that Malachi had trouble with the law? It was one of my lines of research, along with emigration and a return to Ireland to explain his absence from the census after 1861.

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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #19 on: Monday 04 June 18 15:39 BST (UK) »
RG11 is the census reference for 1881, the rest is the Piece number, Folio number and page :)

Ancestry has a space for it to be entered in a search as does FindMyPast

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7572

The start digits differ each census from 1861
1861 (RG9) 
1871 (RG10) 
1881 (RG11) 
1891 (RG12)
1901 (RG13)
1911 (RG14)

1841 and 1851 are both H0107

Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser 27 October 1855 has a small report of a Malachy Hughes and two other Irish men assaulting John Lee and two police officers.  They were each fined £10 plus costs and in default were committed for 3 months.  Oldham was the location
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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #20 on: Monday 04 June 18 15:56 BST (UK) »
RG11 is the census reference for 1881, the rest is the Piece number, Folio number and page :)

Ancestry has a space for it to be entered in a search as does FindMyPast

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7572

The start digits differ each census from 1861
1861 (RG9) 
1871 (RG10) 
1881 (RG11) 
1891 (RG12)
1901 (RG13)
1911 (RG14)

1841 and 1851 are both H0107

Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser 27 October 1855 has a small report of a Malachy Hughes and two other Irish men assaulting John Lee and two police officers.  They were each fined £10 plus costs and in default were committed for 3 months.  Oldham was the location

Rosie, I still can't workout how to use the references to search or how you found the two newspaper articles about Malachi. Do you subscribe to newspaper archives? if so can you advise which one so I can take a subscription.
Thanks again for your help it has been invaluable, can I be cheeky and ask if you have any ideas on Patrick's father who I believe to be Edward but the marriage certificate has him as John Keenan.

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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #21 on: Monday 04 June 18 17:13 BST (UK) »
Newspapers are available on the British Newspaper Archive website or FindMyPast.

I don't normally use the census reference to search with unless someone has indicated that it is where the record is found.  We always try and give it when we find a record on here so that other people can find it easily.

I have not looked at Patricks family yet
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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #22 on: Monday 04 June 18 18:43 BST (UK) »
Newspapers are available on the British Newspaper Archive website or FindMyPast.

I don't normally use the census reference to search with unless someone has indicated that it is where the record is found.  We always try and give it when we find a record on here so that other people can find it easily.

I have not looked at Patricks family yet
Rosie, I appreciate your help so much, I was at an impasse and would never have made this breakthrough, thanks again.

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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 16:07 BST (UK) »
I can only assume that Patricks father was Edward who died in 1866.  Maybe Edward did not know his fathers first name
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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 16:30 BST (UK) »
d. 11 March 1918 Happyland, Leadgate, Consett))

This has no relevance at all to your enquiry, but just in case you don't know, here is map to show the location of Happy Land http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=54.8559&lon=-1.7713&layers=6&right=BingHyb

My grandmother lived just along the road at Greencroft Cottages, and spoke of having friends who lived at Happy Land.

There's not a trace of it to be seen now.
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Re: Keenan Family
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 16:52 BST (UK) »
I can only assume that Patricks father was Edward who died in 1866.  Maybe Edward did not know his fathers first name

Thanks again for trying to solve this Rosie. I have even tried starting a Keenan tree to work my way through just that family line and I come to the same results without any alternative that fits the evidence.
Patrick would have been 4 when Edward died so it is conceivable that he could not recall his father's name. I have just had a thought and checked the 1871 census, Patrick and his two brothers, young Edward and Nicholas are living in their brother-in-laws house and his name is John O'Neill so that may be an explanation.
I have learned quite a bit from your help Rosie

Kind Regards

Edit: Patrick was 14 when his father died not 4 as I have stated (my bad counting). As he was living with his brother in law John O'Neill I would guess he is the "John" on the marriage certificate.