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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #36 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:14 BST (UK) »
A quick look in Gloucestershire for births 1850 to 1890 including spelling variants shows:
birth Mar qtr 1877 Clifton vol 6a p147 SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane mmn BAILEY
birth Mar qtr 1880 Barton Regis vol 6a p157 SEWARD Lilian mmn SPERRING
birth Dec qtr 1888 Barton Regis vol 6a p125 SEWARD Lilian mmn PALMER

Lilian born 1888 is ruled out by:
death Dec qtr 1889 Barton Regis vol 6a p85 SEWARD Lilian age 1

marriage Sep qtr 1902 Bristol vol 6a p318 SEWARD Lilian and MAIDMENT Arthur
(ADDED - the 1911 census gives Arthur's age as 31 and Lilian's age as 30))

This could leave Lilian born 1877 as the likeliest candidate for Beatrice's mother.

If Beatrice was the daughter of Lilian Sarah Jane SEWARD, this marriage could tie in:
Dec qtr 1914 Bristol vol 6a p183 HART William E H to SEWARD Lilian S J.

This would lead to the scenario that:
Lilian S J SEWARD gave birth to Beatrice in 1903
Some time between 1904 and 1911 Beatrice goes to live with the SANDFORD/BEER family.
(Where was Lilian in 1911?)
Lilian S J SEWARD marries William HART in 1914.

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #37 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:15 BST (UK) »
There is a Lilian Seward, of the right sort of age to be Beatrice’s mother, in the Bristol area - birth reg Barton Regis Mar qtr 1880.

Puzzlingly though she looks likely to have married an Arthur Maidment in Bristol in 1902.  So why might she be having an illegitimate Seward baby in 1903?

Hmmm.  More work to be done.
Looks like this one can be ruled out. She had a son Arthur Henry Maidment, Sep qtr 1903 Bristol, (born on 3 June 1903) so could not also have given birth to Beatrice.


I looked at Lilian SEWARD births previously, and have just posted an addition (below)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #38 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:18 BST (UK) »
Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #39 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:21 BST (UK) »
Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
No need for apologies.  I hope I didn't seem rude (I certainly didn't intend to)  :)
I'm off to hunt for Lilian in 1911 and see what else I can find
Philip

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death Mar qtr 1967 Bristol vol 7b p188 HART Lilian S J age 90
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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #40 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:24 BST (UK) »
A quick look in Gloucestershire for births 1850 to 1890 including spelling variants shows:
birth Mar qtr 1877 Clifton vol 6a p147 SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane mmn BAILEY
birth Mar qtr 1880 Barton Regis vol 6a p157 SEWARD Lilian mmn SPERRING
birth Dec qtr 1888 Barton Regis vol 6a p125 SEWARD Lilian mmn PALMER

Lilian born 1888 is ruled out by:
death Dec qtr 1889 Barton Regis vol 6a p85 SEWARD Lilian age 1

marriage Sep qtr 1902 Bristol vol 6a p318 SEWARD Lilian and MAIDMENT Arthur
(ADDED - the 1911 census gives Arthur's age as 31 and Lilian's age as 30))

This could leave Lilian born 1877 as the likeliest candidate for Beatrice's mother.

If Beatrice was the daughter of Lilian Sarah Jane SEWARD, this marriage could tie in:
Dec qtr 1914 Bristol vol 6a p183 HART William E H to SEWARD Lilian S J.

This would lead to the scenario that:
Lilian S J SEWARD gave birth to Beatrice in 1903
Some time between 1904 and 1911 Beatrice goes to live with the SANDFORD/BEER family.
(Where was Lilian in 1911?)
Lilian S J SEWARD marries William HART in 1914.

Philip

In 1911 I have the following:

Lilian Sarah Jane Seward (age 34 b. 1877) was living with:

James Seward - father
Sarah Jane Seward - mother
Winifred Marion Seward - Sister
Percy Seward - either son or nephew

EDIT: Living at 73 All Hallows Rd, Easton in the parish of St Phillip and St Jacob near castle park in Bristol

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #41 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:26 BST (UK) »
Re Percy:

Percival Rocket Seward, no separate mother’s maiden name, Dec qtr 1897 Barton Regis 6a 90.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #42 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:31 BST (UK) »
Percival Rocket Seward, no separate mother’s maiden name, Dec qtr 1897 Barton Regis 6a 90.

Born 31 Aug & baptised 26 Sep 1897 St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol - mother Lilian Sarah Jane Seward  :)

Middle name spelt Rockett other than on his birth reg where it is Rocket.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #43 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:32 BST (UK) »
Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
No need for apologies.  I hope I didn't seem rude (I certainly didn't intend to)  :)
I'm off to hunt for Lilian in 1911 and see what else I can find
Philip

ADDED
death Mar qtr 1967 Bristol vol 7b p188 HART Lilian S J age 90


1911 census, Bristol (all born in Bristol)
SEWARD James, head , 63, fitter
SEWARD Sarah Jane, wife
SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane, daughter, 34, corset machinist
SEWARD Winifred Marion, 20, box maker
SEWARD Percy, grandson, 13

ADDED - Percival is Lilian's son (as found by avm228)
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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #44 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:34 BST (UK) »
Percival Rocket Seward, no separate mother’s maiden name, Dec qtr 1897 Barton Regis 6a 90.

Born 31 Aug & baptised 26 Sep 1897 St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol - mother Lilian Sarah Jane Seward  :)

What a name! So it would seem that Lilian had 'previous'! She is living with Percy and her parents in 1911. Could a dalliance with Ernest Sandford be more realistic than I first thought?