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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 14:55 BST (UK) »


Please explain why we make the mother as ELLIS?Details are from GRO.
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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 14:58 BST (UK) »


Please explain why we make the mother as ELLIS?Details are from GRO.
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If you read my original post, I've explained it there. It's should be Harriett Ann Ellis, I originally put Mills in error. Sorry! my mistake

Harry has children with two woman Grace Swine (he marries her in 1865) and Harriett Ann Ellis (he doesnt marry her). He is with Grace in the 1871 census, but with Harriett in 1881 census onwards.

Although children born to each woman cross inbetween each other, so he was back and forth between them before settling with Harriett. 

This is all fully confirmed through the children between the two woman, as they are witnesses as each other's marriages etc as well as census details.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Paulin - Northumberland
Rutherford - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney - Herefordshire
Small - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 15:01 BST (UK) »
Grace must have known Harry was still alive, even though she lists herself as widow in the 1891 census

Her daughter Rose had Harry and Harrietts daughter Catherine Fisher as a witness at her wedding. So all the children were in contact.

Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Paulin - Northumberland
Rutherford - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney - Herefordshire
Small - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 15:03 BST (UK) »
Hi you show in your OP Harriet Ann Mills?
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You have just modified it to Ellis!!
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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 15:04 BST (UK) »
Hi you show in your OP Harriet Ann Mills?
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yeah sorry that was my error, just noticed that and have corrected. It should be Harriett Ann Ellis, no idea why I put Mills. Tiredness probably lol

I've been working on this family solidly for a few days connecting it all in and it's been confusing to say the least, but finally, have the majority of it fathomed out.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Paulin - Northumberland
Rutherford - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney - Herefordshire
Small - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 16:25 BST (UK) »
 :) No problem, it is indeed odd as Martha 1880 is clearly shown as being born Redruth in 1881 census above, but registered in St Olave, Surrey.  Also in 1901 Harriet Fisher 56 is now born Penzance with Harry?
A Cornish connection somehow?
Census ref 1901 RG13/555/110/12
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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 17:11 BST (UK) »
Hi again, Harry 76 and Harriet Ann 68 now born Redruth are still alive 1911 Bermondsey.
They say they have been married 45 years had 12 children 5 living 7 died.
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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 17:45 BST (UK) »

Bermondsey 1dMary Ann Fisher 1867 D mmn ELLIS

Hi again, what is the relevance of the children being born in Redruth and registered in Surrey?

1871 census

Henry Fisher 35 occ Tanner b Newington
Grace 25 b Bermondsey
Mary Ann 3 b Redruth, Cornwall.
Census ref RG10/632/102/18
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Re: Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 06 June 18 18:52 BST (UK) »


1877 St Olave

Rose Harriet Fisher mmn SWINE
AND
1876 Camberwell 1dCharles Wm mmn SWINE

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Rose Harriet is baptised in Dec 1887 as the daughter of Harry and Harriet ( at the same time Martha is also baptised).
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