Catherine Fisher born 1871 in bermondsey, London

[CelticMom]

this looks like the Harriett Ellis born 1849 in Redruth, shame there are no images, it might list parents.

Name:   Harriet Ellis
Record Type:   Workhouse List
Birth Year:   1849
List or Minutes Date:   Sep 1850
List or Minutes Place:   Redruth, Cornwall, England
Parish:   Camborne

[CelticMom]

on one of the workhouse records in the early 1900s, Harriett gives her date of birth as the 18 March 1843

[CelticMom]

Just found this birth record and someone has added a note to it to also be Harriet Ellis.

Name:   Harriet Swain
[Harriet Ellis]
Registration Year:   1845
Registration Quarter:   Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:   Penzance
Parishes for this Registration District:   View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:   Cornwall
Volume:   9
Page:   235

It's the right quarter going by the what she gives on the poorhouse records.

No mother's name listed, which would make you assume she was born illegitimate. Now I am wondering if Harriet might be the illegitimate daughter of Grace Swine. Maybe Harry ended up with her daughter instead.

this, of course, ties in with the Grace Ellis and Harriet Ellis in the workhouse together in the 1851 census. Now to work out why the switch from Swine/Swain to Ellis.

If my theory is correct, I wonder how she felt about Harry picking her daughter over her, unless the marriage in 1865 of Grace Swine is actually Harriett Ellis, as she appears to be using Grace in 1871.

Such a confusing family.

[CelticMom]

it definitely looks like the marriage in 1826 in Cornwall of Grace Ellis and John Swain is Grace's parents or at least her mother.

She was most likely born before they married. Such confusion with this swapping of the Ellis/Swain name.

[CelticMom]

This looks like Grace in the 1841 census with Robert and Grace Ellis

Name:   Grace Ellis
Age:   15
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1826
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Cornwall, England
Civil Parish:   St Erth
Hundred:   Penwith
County/Island:   Cornwall
Country:   England

this could be her parents or it could be grandparents.

edit: it looks like her grandparents, as this looks like Grace Ellis/Swain mothers birth

Day Month   16-Mar
Year   1806
Parish Or Reg District   Erth, St.
Forename   Grace
Surname   ELLIS
Sex   Dau
Father Forename   Robert
Mother Forename   Grace

[CelticMom]

Bermondsey 1dMary Ann Fisher 1867 D mmn ELLIS

Hi again, what is the relevance of the children being born in Redruth and registered in Surrey?

1871 census

Henry Fisher 35 occ Tanner b Newington
Grace 25 b Bermondsey
Mary Ann 3 b Redruth, Cornwall.
Census ref RG10/632/102/18
Keyboard86

I wonder if the places of birth got mixed up in the census form. Should be bermondsey for Mary Ann and Redruth for Grace maybe. I do think Grace is actually Harriett here.

[Teaclipper]

Is this Post on going? I am a direct  descendant of Harry and Harriet Fisher and would love to be included in this post. I have the birth certificate of Catherine and also the death certificate of Harriet
 

[Teaclipper]

1877 St Olave

Rose Harriet Fisher mmn SWINE
AND
1876 Camberwell 1dCharles Wm mmn SWINE

  Where are you getting the source of Rose Harriet's Mothers maiden name? do you have the birth certificate? What address do they give ? I have Catherine's, Martha's and James William's

[CelticMom]

Hi Tea Clipper

I am still researching this side. I am not related, but another relative is and I am doing the research for them.

You can send me a private message if you like with your email address. As you can see I have pieced together quite a bit now on Catherine, so would love to see what you have found too.