is James Chaplin senI or linked to Charlie Chaplin senior

[louisa maud]

Looks as if Albert and Caroline set up home together circa 1935, prior to the Albert seems to be in a house with a lot of people, none recognizable to the name we have here

Louisa Maud
ps
Ivy C married 1940 at Hendon to Frank W Shepopard

[brigidmac]

Thanks Louisa where did you find that ?  Put post on tbe Ketch thread please

And can you give me the names of people hes with in case I find a link.later

Modified. ..keep to Chaplin details  here ...
Interested to know when Caroline and Albert Thomas Chaplin separated
I think it is him on army record being discharged Feb 1919

[smudwhisk]

1939 Alfred Thomas  vehicle builder with mother Eliza Caroline 
Caroline Ann with her children in Fulham

That Alfred Thomas isn't the father of your Eric.  The vehicle builder in Fulham would appear to be with his wife who is some years older and he was born in 1882 in Barnet RD with MMN Fox.  They are together on the Electoral Rolls at the same address as early as 1927.

In any case, Eliza Caroline Chaplin nee Bradford is on the 1939 Register with her husband Alfred and son James at 20 St Olafs Road, Fulham, the same address they are at on the 1911 Census.

Alfred Thomas Chaplin son of Alfred and Eliza Caroline can be found at 74 Wardo Avenue, Fulham, on the 1939 Register.  His occupation looks like Lead Light Cemente... (the end of the last word is obscured by the middle of the book).  This is the same address that Alfred Thomas and Caroline Ann Chaplin are at from 1919 Electoral Register onwards up until 1935 (those viewable on Ancestry anyway).  Alfred Thomas' date of birth is listed on the 1939 Register as 27 April 1888 (the Alfred Thomas Vehicle Builder has birth date of 18 Feb 1882).  The birth registered in 1888 with MMN of Bradford would tie in with the 1888 Alfred Thomas on the 1939 Register and the same date is on Alfred's baptism on 29 July 1895 at Walham Green when he was baptised with his siblings James, William and Rosa, their father being listed as a Cab Driver.

Its interesting you say that Alfred's family say his wife threw him out because he remained at 74 Wardo Avenue and it was Caroline and the children who appear to have moved elsewhere as Caroline only shows there on the Electoral Registers up until 1935.

[brigidmac]

Amazing find Whisk
Yes I have saved the lamplighter man as an alternative  but thought he couldn't be in 2 places at once

I.ll take another look and revise my tree
Often don't think to go to bottom of page on 1911 census to find address

Ha ha family tell tales from their perspective

[brigidmac]

So the vehicle buIlder with  Eliza
Is a completely different family At 17 pellant road
Their ages are very difficult to read

Alfred Thomas was at St Olafs road
In.1911 with his parents ...

Ok
So 1939 he.s living in a house alone
And his job is difficult to decipher ..another family story is that he went down in the world but not a lamp lighter .I wonder what this job was

And his brother and mother are still at St Olaf road

[smudwhisk]

So the vehicle buIlder with  Eliza
Is a completely different family At 17 pellant road
Their ages are very difficult to read

Alfred Thomas was at St Olafs road
In.1911 with his parents ...

Ok
So 1939 he.s living in a house alone
And his job is difficult to decipher ..another family story is that he went down the world but not a lamp lighter

And his brother and mother are still at St Olaf road if I've got that right

But I think that is him with his mother

How can he be with his mother in 1939 when she is at the same address as in 1911 with her husband and son, and son Alfred Thomas is with them in 1911?

I suggest you have a look at the London Electoral Registers and you'll see it is a completely different family. 

I'm sorry if you don't like me refuting your research but it is obvious that a mistake had been made and I've provided the evidence.  Obviously it is up to you whether you want to take any notice of it or not but this thread is somewhat disjointed to follow anyway trying to find a link to Charlie Chaplin which may not exist and most likely does not exist very closely.

[brigidmac]

OK
I' think ive sorted out the 1939 registers
Its Alfred Senior at family home St.Olaf Road  b 1867 with son James  1890 and youngest daughter
 Eliza C Chaplin
actually a lot younger
born 03   = 1903


# modified 
I will ignore the.other cab drivers
AlFred b1988
as whisk hss shown cleaRly it's not direct family


Our Alfred is a widower so

Of course Alfred Thomas couldn't be living with his dead  mother !!
 

[brigidmac]

Please don't be offended I'm not refuting your research just trying to get it clear in my head

+ like to see the originals for myself

I'm no longer trying to link to Charlie Chaplins family

Sorry about disjointedness am going too fast .

[brigidmac]

1939 Caroline & children & Ketch
At  22  Lisgard.terrace

I've reread thread several times cant find link Ray posted for that address .

Have managed to go back extra generation to
.another james labourer grandfather of
 James the hawker the father of Hackney business  Alfred .&
GFather of intriguing  Alfred Thomas