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Offline SmallTownGirl

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Uniform help please
« on: Tuesday 26 June 18 13:39 BST (UK) »
According to his 1918 Silver War Badge listing, John William Ashton enlisted with the Leicestershire Regiment on 31 Aug 1914. The child in the photo was born mid-1913, so I'm thinking the photo was taken early(ish) in John's service.

I'm slightly puzzled by his tunic and belt - because they're not the standard khaki issue.

I know that early volunteers were issued with any random uniform that vaguely fit and were in stock in the Regimental stores, and I wondered if that accounts for John's uniform.  Or, perhaps, there is another significance that I'm missing.

Can anyone help, please?
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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 June 18 18:13 BST (UK) »
As you say not the 1908 pattern tunic associated with WW1 soldiers. This looks like "walking out kit" which (as far as I'm aware) was only issued to NCO's.
Possibly a bandsman but I'm not seeing anything else that might indicate this.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 June 18 18:35 BST (UK) »
I wondered about a bandsman, but all I've got from the family is that they think he was a coal miner before he joined up.

We can't see his right hand, but if you're able to zoom in I think his left sleeve looks very long and seems to come a long way down his hand and there's some sort of white mark/er on that sleeve.

It's a puzzle, isn't it?

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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 June 18 18:42 BST (UK) »
Most collieries had bands. The marking on his sleeve is braiding.
Another explanation is that he was a pre-war Territorial.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 June 18 18:47 BST (UK) »
OK a close look at his shoulder title indicates a "T" above so TF. Possibly embodied at the outbreak of war.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 June 18 18:55 BST (UK) »
From the Medal Card/Rolls/SWB listing he seems to have been in the 7th, 6th and 3rd Bns, but his date of entering France matches that of the 6th.


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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 June 18 23:01 BST (UK) »
He wouldn't necessarily gone overseas at the same time as his Battalion, he may have gone later as a replacement.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Uniform help please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 June 18 15:53 BST (UK) »
Some misinformation in the posts above.  He is a Regular soldier in the Leicestershire regiment wearing number 1 dress which was withdrawn in 1914.  The cap was worn 1906 onwards.

He is not a bandsman.

He is not a territorial as their cap badge was different and worn without the top scroll before 1916.

The tunic may have been borrowed for the photo as its a bad fit.

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 June 18 10:42 BST (UK) »
Oh, thank you Alan O.

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