PLACE in Bury St Edmunds

[gammatech]

Hi, I am trying to push back my PLACE line. William PLACE married Maria HARRALD in 1849. Both were declared as minors and from census returns it looks like they were both born around 1828/1829. William was lodging with the HARRALD family immediately before the wedding. William states his occupation as 'Grocer' His Father, also a William, states his occupation as 'Grocer'. I can't find William junior on the 1841 census with any certainty any more than I can be sure of any entries for William senior. I have searched trade directories for 'William Place Grocer' but the only one is 1855 and is William junior as I know the address from census returns. How can I be sure that I have found the correct parents for William Junior? There seem to two main contenders: 1. William & Sarah based in Tostock and 2. William & Elizabeth based at Lakenheath but this one is a farmer. There may be others. Any help appreciated,

Martin

[Christine53]

Hello and welcome to RootsChat !

The William Place born abt 1827 Lakenheath seems to be on the 1851 census with wife Betsey and is still in Lakenheath :
HO107; Piece: 1830; Folio: 144; Page: 40.

Looking at the Tostock Place family they have :

William Rushbrooke Place 19 Apr 1929 Tostock St Andrew , parents William , shop porter,
and Sarah. Their residence is given as Bury St Edmunds.
They also have Rose Anna 1827 and Susan 1823.
There is a burial for William Place , born about 1802 , in Bury St Edmunds in 1830. I would suggest this is William the father.


there is a likely baptism for William senior in Tostock 26 May 1801 , parents Thomas and Rose - they were formerly of Rushbrooke , which would account for the son's name.

I think your William is on the 1841 census as a male servant in the household of John Watson , grocer , in Bury St Edmunds .

Hope this helps !

[gammatech]

Thanks. This is what I had guessed except for the death. That cannot be William's Father as he was still alive at William's wedding in 1849. The 1841 Thomas and Eliz Watson did not have any occupation so I was not sure if it was 'my' William. William senior is a shop porter in 1829 so I suppose its not to far to assume he either exaggerated to 'Grocer' in 1849 at his sons wedding or may have risen up the chain. Wouldn't it be helpful to have 'proper' censuses before the 1851 and even better to have had them more frequently!

Thanks again,

Martin

[Christine53]

That cannot be William's Father as he was still alive at William's wedding in 1849. The 1841 Thomas and Eliz Watson did not have any occupation so I was not sure if it was 'my' William.
Martin

Do you know William Place senior was alive because he was a witness , or are you assuming so because it doesn't say "deceased" on the certificate ? If the latter I wouldn't rely too heavily on that.

The 1841 census I mentioned is for John Watson , grocer , and Sarah, not Thomas and Elizabeth.
William Place's occupation is given as " MS " , male servant

 HO107; Piece: 1042; Book: 8; Civil Parish: St Mary; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 6; Page: 5; Line: 21

[gammatech]

Hi Christine53,

No, he wasn't a witness, so it is possible that he was predeceased. The witnesses were Samuel Harrald (Maria's father) and an as yet unknown, Jane Clark. I have had fathers marked as deceased when still alive but it did not occur to me that the other way round was possible.

I had not found the 1841 census you mention, I will look for that, thanks,

Martin