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John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« on: Friday 29 June 18 10:21 BST (UK) »
Any help please am searching for a freind.
Rev. John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly
Awarded a BA at Oxford University  13th October 1888 .
Would like to know who his parents and siblings where
Many thanks
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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 June 18 10:47 BST (UK) »
Hi
There is a John Jones born 1864 Q1 Llanelly  mmn Gower
Several Jones/Gower births which include Llewelyn Goroney
In 1871 there is a family, parents Thomas and Elizabeth with children including John and LLewelyn G  born 1868.
Couple of marriages in LLanelly for a Thomas Jones and Elizabeth Gower  in 1861 and 1863 (same or different?) may be an error.
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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 June 18 21:53 BST (UK) »
from marriage register of Holy Trinity, Felinfoel 5 Sept 1891 and by Licence
John Gower Jones, 27 bachelor, schoolmaster of Capel Ifan, father Thomas Jones, farmer married
Florence Webb Withers, 25, 39 Carlyle Road, Birmingham, father Edwin Withers, gentleman.

1881 census, Capel Evan, Glyn, Llanelly RG11/5378 folio 7 pg 8

Thomas Jones head mar 70 farmer 70 acres b. Llannon
Elizabeth wife 71 b. Pembrey
Thomas son mar 44 b. Llannon
Elizabeth dau in law 39 b. Pembrey
Catherine granddau 15
Llewellyn grandson 12
William G grandson 7
Olwen granddau 4
Elizabeth granddau 3
Lewis P grandson 11 months
John Rees 17 farm servant
Ann Beynon 21 general servant b. Llanddarog
all born Llanelly except when noted

1871 Fancey, Glyn, Llanelly RG10/5471 folio 12 pg 17
Thomas Jones head mar 35 Ingine (sic) fitter b. Llannon
Elizabeth wife 30 b. Pembrey
Sarah dau 9
John son 7
Catherine dau 5
Llewllyn G son 3
Jane Williams servant 18
all born Llanelly except Thomas & Elizabeth

Marriage at St John's Chapel, parish of Llanelly, 20 Dec 1861
Thomas Jones, 24, bach, engineer, Pontyberem, father Thomas Jones, clerk to
Elizabeth Gower, 19, Capel Ifan, father John Gower, farmer
Witnesses William Gower & William Edwards
 


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 June 18 23:07 BST (UK) »
Interesting, the 1863 marriage of Thomas Jones & Elizabeth Gower would appear to be the father of Thomas remarrying to the widowed mother of Elizabeth.

20 Feb 1863 St John's Chapel, parish of Llanelly by Licence
Thomas Jones,full age, widower, weigher, Pontyberem, father Thomas Jones, Shoemaker, to
Elizabeth Gower, full age, widow, farmer, Capel Evan, father William Williams, farmer
witnesses Henry Williams & Dinah Gower

1861 census Cappel Evan, RG9/4117/ folio 7 pg 9
Elizabeth Gower head widow 41 farmer of 140 acres employing 2 labourers
Elizabeth dau 19 dairy maid
Dinah dau 17 assisting dairy maid
David son 13 b. Llanelly
John Jones 22 general farm servant. Llanelly
all born Pembrey except last 2

From Probate index, Letters of Administration of  the personal estate and effects of John Gower, late of Capel Evan, in the parish of Llanelly famer deceased who died 13 Jan 1859 at Capel Evan granted to Elizabeth Gower widow, relict of the deceased.

Notice of Dinah's marriage 20 July 1863, conducted by her brother John

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4352207/4352212/22/

1851 census Pantygwenith, Hengoed, HO107/2468 folio 390 pg 14
John Gower head mar 50 farmer of 70 acres
Elizabeth wife 41
John son 19
Ann dau 14
William son 12
Elizabeth dau 9
Dina dau 7
David son 3
Jane dau 1 b. Llanelly
all born Pembrey apart from Jane
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 June 18 23:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much so kind of you
Heddwch
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David - Cardiff Pontypridd
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Jones -Treherbert Rhondda
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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 12 October 18 13:46 BST (UK) »
This is a very large family descending from John Gower 1800-1859 and Elizabeth Williams 1810-1903 that I have very thoroughly researched.  Your John Gower Jones was their grandson being the son of their daughter Elizabeth Gower 1841-1935 and Thomas Jones 1836-1932 and was the second of their 14 children.  He died on 8 May 1949 at 9 Ilton road, Cardiff

From Crockford's 1938
Jesus College, Oxford BA 1891. Deacon 1891, Priest 1892 Llandaff.  Curate of Tredegar 1891-94; Mountain Ash 1895-98; Penmaen 1898-1900; St. Woolos, Newport, Mon 1900-05; Temporary Chaplain to the Forces 1916-1919; Rural Dean of Rhondda 1929-37; Vicar of Glyntaff 1905-37; St. Donats Diocese of Llandaff from 1937 (Gross Income £330, Net £3116 and House) Surrogate from 1906

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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Relating to Paterchurchís research,  would you have any details to confirm how the union of John Gower 1800 and Elizabeth Williams might i any way be connected with John Gower b.1854 (poss1853) of Pembrey who married Margaret (possibly Davies)?  Johnís father was probably William Gower b. 1815 in Pembrey. The family lived at Penllwyn, Pembrey in 1861,
These Gowers were miners; is there any evidence of when they might have left the land?
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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 December 18 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately I have no trace in my records of a John Gower born 1853/4.  The nearest one in date that I have in my records is one born in about 1857 but his father was Thomas Gower born about 1812.  As for a William Gower born 1815  the only one that I have was baptised at Pembrey 4 April 1813 his parents being Jonathan Gower and Elizabeth of Dimpath.

My ancestor John Gower was born in 1800, the son of Morse Gower and his wife Mary (Rees).  He did have a brother, William, baptised at Pembrey Church 17 March 1803.  In the 1861 and 1871 Censuses he is listed as a Pitman at the Colliery ie miner.  However he never married.  He died on 27 September 1871  and was buried at the Jerusalem Independent Chapel. Burry Port.

In all  probability, due to the same forenames being used within a famly, there is some connection but this may go back to Morse Gower and his forebears and I have only traced a single line back from him

 

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Re: John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly Carmarthenshire
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 December 18 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that, Paterchurch. I shall need to try to follow a different line.  I am finding genealogy in Wales to be very difficult! 
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