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Offline Ken Evans

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Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« on: Sunday 01 July 18 18:01 BST (UK) »
John Thomas was my Great Grandfather. He was born in the Union Workhouse, Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire 5 Jun 1872. His mother was Mary Ann THOMAS b. c. 1856, but there are three possibles in that area. His father was registered as John THOMAS, a shoemaker when he married.
John THOMAS b. 1872 married my great grandmother Mary Elizabeth CLARKE on 21 April 1900 at Llanwrthwl, Brecon where he is shown as Widower. I was told by the archivist that the workhouse records are virtually non-existent, so if anyone has more information, I would be grateful.

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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 July 18 18:05 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat

It was fairly common practice for illegitimate children to make up a fathers name when they married to make them appear "respectable"

Does your great grandfathers 1872 birth cert only show his mothers name?
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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 July 18 18:46 BST (UK) »
His father's entry is blank on the birth certificate. I have contacted the Montgomery archive, but the records for the workhouse do not cover the required dates.

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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 July 18 19:15 BST (UK) »
In the 1881 census he is in the Llanwnog WH but no entry for his mother. 
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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 July 18 19:35 BST (UK) »
Newtown was the registration district for Llanwnog and there are 3 x Mary Ann Thomas marriages in that RD between 1874-1876

Unfortunately - without further information about her it would be impossible to say which (if any) was the mother of John

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but the records for the workhouse do not cover the required dates.

What dates do they cover?
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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 July 18 21:41 BST (UK) »
is this the family in 1901?

Snaygill, Bradley, Skipton, Yorkshire RG13/4029 folio 150 pg 2
John Thomas head mar 29 farm labourer b. Montgomeryshire, Kerry
Mary E wife 21 b. Essex, Harwick
Rosomenia dau under 1 month b. Bradley
Rose E Clarke sister in law 16 monthly nurse b. Glam, Merthyr Tydfil

possible for John in 1891 at Llandinam Hall RG12/4591 folio 111 pg 11
John Thomas single 20 cow man b. Kerry, Montgomeryshire
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 July 18 21:46 BST (UK) »
Yes that's them. It doesn't help that John THOMAS b. 1872 was also an engineer and traveled around for work.

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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 July 18 14:29 BST (UK) »
Cow man and farm labourer to travelling engineer - what documents show him as an engineer?
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Re: Searching for John THOMAS b. 1872 mother Mary Ann THOMAS
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 July 18 15:38 BST (UK) »
1911 census. He met his wife while he and her father were working on one of the big Welsh reservoirs in Brecon.
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