Author Topic: Gavin Mowat b. c1857 Canisbay Caithness , on Census after 1861 ?  (Read 4844 times)

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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:09 BST (UK) »
I wonder too how Gavin was arrived at apart from his birth cert?

Will throw this in the mix for good measure...

Birth (unsure who’s child but surely related)?
MOWAT CATHERINE LYALL 1907
685/3 317 Canongate

Marriage
MOWAT CATHERINE LYALL & CHALMERS DAVID 1930
685/3 362 Canongate

Death
MOWAT/Chalmers CATHERINE 45
1952
685/2 442 St Andrew (Edinburgh)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:13 BST (UK) »
She must connect to the family somewhere Annie.

The Edinburgh connection may add weight to the Gavin moving to Edinburgh being Suzy's.

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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:16 BST (UK) »
A Gavin Mowat married a Catherine Mowat in 1882 in Newington District ....  :-\

Annie, whereabouts is Newington?  :-\


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« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:19 BST (UK) »
Those darn Ancestry hints threw me towards Gavin in Edinburgh. ;)  As I didn't know where he went after 1861 and a possible Gavin in 1871 as a farm servant, I put his name in, and the hint took me to this one in Edinburgh.  Ran out of credits so asked for help to see if Gavin in Edinburgh was the same one as Caithness, now we have two Gavins to mill over. ;D  both coming from Caithness and both born within a few short years apart.
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« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:24 BST (UK) »
Newington is Edinburgh around the areas we're concentrating on here with census' & births.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:30 BST (UK) »
Familysearch is throwing up a few Catherine Mowat/t births which may fit.

The only way forward on both of those lines is to buy the marriage certificate IF your Gavin married Catherine. If this is not your Gavin, then you will still be following the wrong Gavin ....

I would suggest ignoring the "hints" and starting again on this branch. Start from yourself or from the last definite document you are certain about for this line, and work back methodically. :-\

Added: Thanks Annie.

Added: Suzy. How do you know the 1861 farm servant is your Gavin? :-\ When single men and women are working away from home it can be difficult to know if you have the right one.

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« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:39 BST (UK) »
Surely another connection?

1851
MOWAT JACOBINA 15
685/2 162/ 1
St Cuthbert's, Midlothian

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 00:51 BST (UK) »
I have found something which may muddy the waters even more.

I looked for Gavin farm servant in the 1871 census and found him - age 17 b Canisbay living with the Finlayson family.

I also found the following in the 1871 census:
address: Freswick GA School House
Benjamina L Mowatt  Mariner and Fisherman's wife
Benjamin 22
Mary 16
Gavin SON 12 b Canisbay
James 10

Farm hand Gavin IS NOT the child of James and Benjamina.

So the question is - which (if either) of these is your Gavin?

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« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 01:05 BST (UK) »
Looking on the 1861 census we have:

Gavin Mowat
parents Gavin and Janet b abt 1853 Canisbay, Caithness Son b Canisbay Caithness
 
Gavin Mowat
parents John and Christina b abt 1855 Canisbay, Caithness Son b Canisbay Caithness

Gavin Mowat
parents James and Benjamina b abt 1858 Canisbay, Caithness Son b Canisbay Caithness