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« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 01:10 BST (UK) »
Ruskie...

Put your spade away!!!

You're doing well collecting those Gavins but leaving more questions than answers  ;D

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 01:21 BST (UK) »
MOWAT GAVIN
GAVIN MOWAT/JANET HENDERSON
03/11/1853
035/20 156 Canisbay

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 04:14 BST (UK) »
I'm still digging I'm afraid Annie .....  ;D

In the 1871 census, Benjamina Mowat and children including a 12 year old son Gavin, are living at Freswick GA School House.

In the 1861 census, Gavin Mowat (father), Janet Henderson and children including an 8 year old Gavin are living at Freswick GA School House.

In the 1861, John, Christina and family's address is "Freswick"
Same with James and Benjamina.

All heads of household are fishermen.

You may find that Gavin Mowat (snr), John Mowat and James Mowat are brothers, hence the same occupations, same addresses and choice of "Gavin" as a son's name.

Freswick is around three miles from Canisbay. I just had a look around on google street view - WOW! I wonder if the family members were long lived - with all that fresh air, exercise and fish to eat.  ;) :)

You really need to invest in some SP credits Suzy ..... :)

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« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 06:35 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is the Freswick School House:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74426565
(why would a fisherman and his family be living in a school house?)  :-\

The location tallies with this:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mb2/
(it looks a bit sad and sorry)

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« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 11:06 BST (UK) »
Ruskie,

I checked out the maps as well as VRs on SP.

My interpretation is there were 3 different schools/school houses, each with land/farms/farm houses with each farmhouse having a name rather than a number & all in close proximity?

Here's an example;

MOWAT WILLIAM Occupier
SOCIETY SCHOOL MASTER HOUSE AND CROFT STROMA, CANISBAY
1855
VR009400001-

Now from knowing the surname of Janet Henderson married to Gavin Mowat, I found this;

Birth
MOWATT JANET HENDERSON 1893
685/3 1172 Canongate

It seems to me there may have been a few of the family ended up in Edinburgh but still no way of knowing which Gavin married Catherine as there are no clues from the names of their children (as yet)?

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 11:54 BST (UK) »
This may eliminate 1 of the Gavins?

Death
MOWAT GAVIN 15 (b c1855)
CORBETT (mms)
1870
035/ 10 Canisbay

From what we know & from Ruskie's census' finds (all with a son named Gavin of similar ages in terms), we have...

James Mowat & Benjamina Lyall
Gavin Mowat & Janet Henderson
John Mowat & Christina (could her m/s be Corbett)?

This would eliminate the death above not being the son of James & Benjamina but...

Can you please explain how you arrived at the Gavin you have being a relative & son of James & Benjamina i.e. what sources took you there?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 13:24 BST (UK) »
The surname Corbett rings a bell Annie, but of course I can't recall where I saw it.  ::)

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« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 13:54 BST (UK) »
Here they are;

MOWAT JOHN & CHRISTIAN CORBET 01/10/1852
035/20 223 Canisbay

That will leave at least one of 2 possible Gavins in Edinburgh with no way of knowing which is which?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 14:13 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Rosinish on Tuesday 03 July 18 13:54 BST (UK)
Here they are;

MOWAT JOHN & CHRISTIAN CORBET 01/10/1852
035/20 223 Canisbay

That will leave at least one of 2 possible Gavins in Edinburgh with no way of knowing which is which?

Annie

That looks to be the case.

Suzy needs another clue to work out which one is her Gavin. Occupation? Address? ....

I don't know how Suzy got to Gavin in Edinburgh. Is one of his children her ancestor? What is this ancestor's name? Does she know who her Gavin married? Does she have this ancestor's birth certificate naming parents as Gavin and X?

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