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John Thoms born about 1843
« on: Monday 09 July 18 20:11 BST (UK) »
John Thoms was born in Prestonpans in 1842 or 43 and went to Australia. He was there known as John Irwin Thoms, so maybe his mother was an Irwin. He died in 1897. I have not been able to trace his birth or his parents. Does anyone have any ideas?

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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 July 18 21:10 BST (UK) »
Sorry you already had the death info was about to post :-[
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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 July 18 21:26 BST (UK) »
Have you looked on Scotlands People for his birth?

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and went to Australia.

Do you know when?  Did he marry there or in Scotland?

What document has his birthplace as Prestonpans?
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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 July 18 22:17 BST (UK) »
Just adding link to other post for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796489.0

I saw mentioned there that John had 9 children. Could you name them in order. Very often Scottish naming pattern (see www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm) was used in some form and can give clues on paternal/maternal grandparents' names.

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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 July 18 22:20 BST (UK) »
I will try to do that tomorrow. There is nothing on the Scotland's People site for John Thoms in East Lothian.

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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 July 18 22:30 BST (UK) »
I was having a look there too. Nothing showing so far is there  :-\ Tried also using '*' to pick up on possible variations such as Tom/s etc but nothing coming up.

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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 July 18 22:33 BST (UK) »
Just a thought - could he have been born as John Irwin - mother marries Mr Thoms/Thomas and John takes on his stepfathers surname??
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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 July 18 23:09 BST (UK) »
Why make it so hard for yourself?  Purchase an image of the marriage certificate and it will give age, place of birth and parents' names.

Marriage
1867
Registration number 4217
WILSON, Elizabeth Mary
THOMAS, John Irwin

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

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Re: John Thoms born about 1843
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 06:35 BST (UK) »
I mentioned on the original thread that there were 9 children, however I was mistaken as different spellings in the Vic BDM index reveal 14 children (that I can find!)

1868  Louisa Jessie
1870  Charles Walter
1872  William Irwin
1874 George Wilson
1876  Herbert John
1878 Lizzie Mabel
1880  Winifred Jessie
1884  Maggie Annette
1886  Beatrice Mary
1888  Harry Leslie
1889  Stella Lilly
1891  Flossie Isabella
1893  Frederick Ernest
1897  Stanley Ebenezer

We know that John Irwin THOM's wife's father's name was Walter WILSON (from their marriage notice). As Debra says, the marriage cert should reveal more info.  ;)