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John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« on: Tuesday 10 July 18 07:53 BST (UK) »
Now that I finally have details of Thomas's 1874 marriage, I know that his father was John Alcock, deceased, Tailor. It was an RC marriage in Preston, Lancaster County.
So far I have been unable to track John Alcock. Thomas was born in Hanley, Staffordshire, but lived in Preston. The only possible John Alcock from the 1851 census was a cordwainer (the others were publicans or bricklayers), which is loosely associated with sewing perhaps, albeit shoes. However his son Thomas was born in Leigh, Staffordshire, which looks to be not very close to Hanley which was the birthplace of my Thomas.
Any help gratefully received. :) (Not sure if I should be posting this in Staffordshire or Lancashire!)

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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 07:59 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses on Thomas's marriage
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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 08:03 BST (UK) »
How many young Thomas alcock did you locate in 1851?

Births Sep 1850   (>99%)
Alcock    Thomas        Cheadle    17   34    
Alcock    Thomas        Stoke on T    17   
Births Dec 1850   (>99%)
Alcock    Thomas        Stoke on T.    17   

Stoke should be the correct registration district

ALCOCK, THOMAS       BALL    Order
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 17  Page 166   
ALCOCK, THOMAS       MARTIN     Order
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 17  Page 183   
ALLCOCK, THOMAS       SWETTENHAM     Order
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 17  Page 173
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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 08:16 BST (UK) »
Possible for Thomas:

Baptism at St Giles, Cheadle (Roman Catholic)

Thomas, son of Johannis and Maria Teresa Douglas - born 15 March 1849, baptised 18 March 1849.



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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 08:18 BST (UK) »
Have you found your Thomas Alcock in censuses before 1881?

I am wondering whether he changed his name. There is a tailor from Hanley named Thomas Campbell lodging at 11 Oxford Street, Preston in 1871. Same street as your Thomas in 1881.
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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 08:29 BST (UK) »
Alternative baptism for Thomas:

St Giles, Cheadle (Church of England)

8 September 1850 - son of John and Margaret Alcock of Tean Road.  John is a Carrier.

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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 08:36 BST (UK) »
John was a tailor. The witnesses to Thomas Alcock's marriage to Ann Mulligan were Edwin Bebbington and Mary Mulligan. Mary was Ann Mulligan's older sister.

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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 08:37 BST (UK) »
It looks like Bebbington, but could be Bobbington.

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Re: John Alcock, father of Thomas b 1850 Hanley
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 10:38 BST (UK) »
Shaun - Prior to the 1881 census I have only found  Thomas's 1874 marriage. No census. The name change is an interesting idea. I was unable to find Thomas Campbell later in 1881.

Pauline - I could only find 2 possible births in the Stoke area, if that's Hanley. The Swettenham one I think may have been connected to the family of potters/gilders.

Bumble B - The RC baptism at St Giles in Cheadle may be a possibility but a bit far from Hanley?

Thanks so much everyone for trying to help.