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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 July 18 11:47 BST (UK) »
These may be John & Mary’s children 

Baptisms Birmingham, St Martin

Thomas Parker   1 Dec 1753

Anne Parker   26 Dec 1755

John Parker   30 Sep 1758

William Parker   5 Nov 1761

Mary Parker   4 Feb 1764

Samuel Parker   10 Nov 1766

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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #10 on: Monday 16 July 18 20:30 BST (UK) »


The problem with both of these they do not fit the normal naming pattern.

First son was named after the father's father.
Second son was named after the mother's father.

Mothers name does not fit naming pattern?

First daughter was named after the mother's mother.

Then again not all families followed the rules.



Surely this was a very loosely-followed practice in England?  Of course in Scotland it was pretty much gospel, but I have not found these rules to be followed closely in England.
None of my Birmingham ancestors' families followed this naming pattern.
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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #11 on: Monday 16 July 18 22:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin & Emeltom & Bev

Many thanks for all your help with my quest.

It appears I have the Parker woman down to 4 possibilities (one of the others was born and died the same year).
15 Aug 1763 St Peter, Wolverhampton - James & Margaret Midlands
4 February 1764 John and Mary, St Martins
5 October 1765 Michael and Mary
26 December 1766 William and Elizabeth

Colin you said this ' both of these are at St Martins the other St Philips so maybe less likely" and I am not sure in your post what you were referring to because I think the third one was St Peter in Wolverhampton?

Is it possible to find out where the two last ones were baptised?

Many thanks to you all on this sunny winters day.
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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 11:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Bronwen,

Sorry my post was not clear.

Mary 4 February 1764 John and Mary - St Martins (no marriage Birmingham but two in Staffs)

Mary 5 October 1765 Michael and Mary - St Philips  (No marriage in the Midlands)
Mary was their only daughter in Birmingham.

Mary 26 December 1766 William and Elizabeth - St Philips
(William of the parish of Exhall, Warks married Elizabeth Harrison (otp) in Kings Norton in 1760
Mary only daughter in Birmingham but may have had a son Thomas in Exhall, Warks.  1768.)

The only reason I mentioned James below is because the name Parker is quite strong in Staffordshire and he was the only James in the Midlands that I could find in the period.

Mary 15 Aug 1763 St Peter, Wolverhampton - James & Margaret Midlands

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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 12:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Bevj,

I note your comments on naming patterns, as my last line suggests not all families followed the rules.

However I was born in Birmingham and I have traced my direct line back to 1530 in Birmingham. My mothers family originated from Warwickshire to around 1640. Both families show linked names from one generation to the next.

I have also researched my wife’s Scottish ancestors with the same type of results, it is not as Gospel as you might think in Scotland.

I also think it is very much a case of family circumstances but naming patterns are a recognised part of genealogy.

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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 23:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks Colin - this is what I now have.  If I got the certificates for these would that really clarify anything? 

Regards Bronwen

Mary Parker's possible parents
1763 Aug 15 St Peter, Wolverhampton - James & Margaret (Midlands)
1764 February 4 John and Mary, St Martins (no marriage Birmingham but two in Staffs)
1765 October 5 Michael and Mary, St Philips, No marriage in the Midlands) Mary was their only daughter in Birmingham.
1766 December 26 William and Elizabeth William (St Philips) of the parish of Exhall, Warks, married Elizabeth Harrison (otp) in Kings Norton in 1760 Mary only daughter in Birmingham but may have had a son Thomas in Exhall, Warks. 1768
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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 12:41 BST (UK) »
The snag is I cannot find a suitable marriages for John & Mary or Michael & Mary. As john is before 1753 you will probably only get he married her.

I sent details of William & Elizabeth and that is the information you get after 1754, records are on An....ty. Although William does seem to be a family name.

I think James and Margaret is wishful thinking, you will find some Staffordshire Transcripts here.
 http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes

I think the answer lies in Birmingham but the marriage records before 1753 are not always great.

I will send a separate post with some additional information.

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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 12:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Bronwen,

You may have some of this information already

When Thomas Bland died in 1813 his abode was Aston St.
When Mary died in 1837 she was noted as a Widow of Weaman St.

I now think all of the following were children of Thomas Bland & Mary Parker.

William Henry Bland (1791) married Elizabeth Cooksey by Banns 21 June 1824 Yardley, St Edburgha, both otp. Witnesses John & Elizabeth Bland
I guess John is the one baptised at St Philips 28 May 1798
William was a witness to Joseph Betteridge who married the same day.

William & Elizabeth had the following children baptised together on 23 Oct 1829 at St Philips.  They were born as follows: Mary Ann 1821, John 1826, Charles 1828 & Matilda 1829.
William was a Button Burnisher of Little Charles St.
Robert was born & Baptised in 1832, family in same abode. William now a Victualler. 
(William Henry Bland age 54 was buried  11 Feb 1846 St Philps.
Abode Small Heath parish of Aston)

Theodore Bland (1800) married Elizabeth Hancock 14 Jul 1822 Harborne, St Peter, both otp. (He stated he was single) their only child Elizabeth Gregory Bland was born 1823 baptised 29 Dec 1824 St. Philip, abode Edmund St. father a Brass Founder. (Theadore Bland was buried age 53 4 Sep 1855 Birmingham, St Bartholomew. Abode Cecil St.

On the same day in 1824 a William Henry Bland was also baptised, next entry to above he was born 30 Dec 1818 William Henry Bland & Elizabeth abode Bordesley St.
There is also an entry for William Henry Bland born 30 Dec 1818 baptised 12 Apr 1819 St Philip parents William Henry Bland, a Button Burnisher & Ann, abode Aston St. 

Edwin (1796 - 1850) as you know married Sarah Brookes at St Martin, witnesses Thomas Steele & Marie Appleby.

 I cannot find a clear marriage for John Bland (1798) or children in Birmingham.
However a John Bland was buried age 72 Aston, St Peter and St Paul, 28 Mar 1872, abode Weaman St.
 
James Bland (1793) No marriage but buried age 44 St Martin 19 Jan 1838, abode Weaman St. (Probably lived with his mother who died the year before)

None of this may help but it does mean some will be on census returns but finding Mary Parkers parents may remain a mystery.

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Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 23:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all this Colin - a few things.

What does otp mean?

I have listed with the Birmingham geaneology group

In the interim I have opted for this - primarily because it says she was 21 when she married. I think I have translated what you have sent me correctly.

Regards Bronwen - about to look at the Bland information you have sent me.   Many many thanks.

1766 December 26 William and Elizabeth William (St Philips) of the parish of Exhall, Warks, married Elizabeth Harrison (otp) in Kings Norton in 1760 Mary only daughter in Birmingham but may have had a son Thomas in Exhall, Warks. 1768.

1740 PARKER?
William Parker
b.
m.1760 Elizabeth Harrison, Kings Norton, Birmingham, Eng.
d.

1740 HARRISON ?
Elizabeth Harrison
b.
m.1760 William Parker, Kings Norton, Birmingham, Eng
d.
Children
1766 Dec 26 Mary Parker, St Philips of the parish of Exhall, Warks ?
1768 Aug 28 Thomas in Exhall, Warks. Wixford

Mary Parker wife of Thomas Bland mother of Edwin John Bland
b.1766 Dec 26 St Philips of the parish of Exhall, Warks  ?
m.1788 Oct 1 Thomas Bland, Birmingham, Eng. They were both of the parish, witnesses were William Garner & Sarah Bell – all four signed)
d.1837 June 18 St Martin, Birmingham, Eng. (74)
Children 5
1791 June 16 William Henry Bland, St Martin, Birmingham, Eng.
1793 May 10 James Bland, St Philips, Birmingham, Eng.
1796 Apr 25 Edwin John Bland, St Martin, Birmingham, Eng.
1798 May 28 John Bland, St Philips, Birmingham, Eng.
1800 May 26 Theodore Bland, St Martin, Birmingham, Eng.



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