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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 July 18 18:39 BST (UK) »
http://www.melocki.org.uk/MelockiSalop.html   

http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Frodesley.html


http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Condover.html

Mr. William Rubathan of Frodesley Hall, 1781

1781 Mar. 2. Mr. Willm. Rubathan, of Frodsley Hall ... bur.

1803 Mar. 21. Mary Rubathan (age 78).
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carnal,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre, Chettoe,Cooper,Erpe,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam,Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds, Roberts,Rogers,Salter,Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #10 on: Monday 16 July 18 18:52 BST (UK) »
http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/search/?q=Rubbathan&cb_submit=Search&cb_page=2


Agreement between Thomas Jones Nichols et al X6000/30/6136 1864

Indenture dated 1864. Between 1) Thomas Jones Nichols of Yockleton Hall Esq. 2) Jemima Biggs of Lower Garth, Guilsfield (Montg), widow. 3)William Rubbathan of Wilmington, gent. 4) Alfred Meredith of Welshpool, gent. Conveyance of an outstanding Legal Fee
Shropshire Archives
Sale Particulars and Plans: Freehold Estate called Wilmington Hall in the parish of Chirbury XD3651/D/41/155 28 Jun 1871

Freehold Estate comprised of 338 acres and including a portion of Marton Pool, late the property of William Rubbathan, deceased
Shropshire Archives
SHUKER OF PENKRIDGE HALL (CARDINGTON) XD3651/B/109 1804

The Shukers were connected by marriage with the Rubbathan and Jones families of Frodesley, all members of the yeomanry and the minor gentry, with landholdings in their respective home parishes and in All Stretton. Several draft documents pertaining to the
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Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carnal,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre, Chettoe,Cooper,Erpe,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam,Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds, Roberts,Rogers,Salter,Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #11 on: Monday 16 July 18 22:15 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Alberbury.

I am really surprised to see their status and wonder whether I have it all wrong, my late mother was certain they were all peasants.

I have just joined the Shropshire local history society in the hope of gleaning more information about the Rubbathans.  My grandfather was a Jones, his sibling was born in 1866 and in 1875 they emigrated from Shropshire and my grandfather was born a year later. 

However I cannot find them on the 1871 census   Nor can I find any register of the two children who died in infancy  - see their names below.

In 1861 Ann was living with her parents in the upper cottage in Pitchford.

Ann Williams wife of Thomas Emmanuel Jones, mother of Ernest (my grandfather)
b.1841 Feb 21 Berrington, Shropshire, Eng, (reg.)
m.1865 Aug 25 Thomas Emmanual Jones, Eng.
d.1919 Sept 23 Oxford, Christchurch, NZ (photo of gravestone)
1866 Arthur Jones
Frederick Jones – did not survive infancy - haven’t found
Winifred Jones - did not survive infancy - haven’t found

My motjher has this piece of information below:
RUBATHAN (1762) colonel, regiment of Earl of Powys in duke of Wellington army – frost bitten while on sentry duty and lost both legs.  Granted pension – farmed, lived Montgomeryshire


I see the Shukers in this and their connection to the Rubbathans - I have been looking through these registers.  The last entry here is one of my line.

A REGISTER BELONGING TO THE PARISH OF FRODESLEY ACCORDING TO
AN ACT FOR YE BETTER PREVENTING OF CLANDESTINE MARRIAGES.
MARCH 22ND, 1754, TO 2IST MAY, 1805.
1798 Immediately upon my induction I was called upon by the Vicar of Condover (Rev. Forester Leighton) for a Mortuary of 10 shillings, as due to the Vicar of Condover, from every inhabitant dying in Frodesley possessed of property to the value of 40£. I refused to pay the Mortuary on account of my father, for which it was claimed, as did also Mr. Jones for his father, and Mrs. Powell, of the Lane, for her husband. In a short time I received a letter from the Rev. F. Leighton, the then Vicar, confessing his error in demanding a Mortuary, and acknowledging it was not due
1779 Dec. 3. Mary Rubbathan ... bur.
1782 Jan. 29. Edward Rubbathan ... bur.
1782 Jan. 31. William Rubbathan ... bur.
1783 April 3. John Rubbathan ... bur.
1797 July 7. James, d. of Edward & Jane Rubbatban, of p. of Acton Burnell ... bu
1774 Nov. 21. Edward Shuker, of Cardington, Farmer, & Ann Rubbathan, of Frodesley, sp., lic ... mar.
1778 May 1. Isaac Jones, of Forden, & Elizabeth Rubbathan, lic ... ma
1792 Sept. 2. Edward Rubbathon & Jane Colley, of Acton Burnell ... mar.


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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 09:49 BST (UK) »
You have Thomas Emmanuel Jones marrying Ann Williams on 25 Aug 1865 - what is the source of this info.? Cannot find a marriage for the Sept Quarter 1865 for a Thomas and Ann. Else -

Marriage (certificate on FindMyPast)
Parish Church of Newtown, County of Salop.
21st March 1865
Thomas Jones, age 22, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Northwood, father William Jones (deceased), Labourer
Hannah Williams, age 21, Spinster, residence Northwood, father Thomas Williams, labourer
Witnesses James Williams, Sarah Rogers

General Register Office (GRO) - Births
Arthur Jones, Dec Qtr 1866, Salford (Lancashire), 8d 50 - mother's maiden name Williams

1871 Census - ref. RG10  Piece 4020  Folio 147  Page 9
Address - Greengate, Salford (lancashire)
Emmanuel Thos Jones**, Head, age 32, Groom (unemployed), born Wellington (salop)
Hannah Jones, Wife, 29, born Pitchford (Salop)
Arthur Jones, son, age 4, born Salford (Lancashire)

GRO Birth Registration
Frederick Jones, Sep Qtr 1871, Salford (Lancashire), 8d  56 - mother's maiden name Williams

** - entered as "Emmanuel Thos" on schedule

Possibility??
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 09:55 BST (UK) »
GRO birth registration

Winifred Jones, Dec Qtr 1873, Salford, 8d  84 - mother's maiden name Williams
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 10:00 BST (UK) »
GRO Death Registrations

Winifred Jones, Dec Qtr 1873, Salford, 8d 49, age 0
Arthur Jones, Sep Qtr 1874, Salford, 8d 13, age 0
Arthur Jones, Jun Qtr, Salford, 8d 79 - age 0
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 10:17 BST (UK) »
1851 Census - ref. HO107  Piece 1995  Folio 136  Page 11

Address - Northwood, Wem
Thomas Williams, Head, 45, A G labourer, born Salop
Mary Williams, Wife, 49, born Ellesmere
Eliza Williams, Dau, 12, born Wem
James** Williams, Son, 10, born Wem
Hannah Williams, Dau, 8, born Wem
John Williams, Son, 5, born Wem
George Tunnah, Nursery?, 3, born Wem

How does this square with Ann Williams, born 1841, Berrington?

** - possibly the James, witness to the 1865 marriage?
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 11:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

I needs to look more carefully tomorrow at what you have sent me which I really appreciate.
This is what I currently have regarding Ann Williams family and Thomas Jones family. I need to check where I got the information about their marriage. Anyway see below what I have.

Thanks Bronwem

Mary ? wife of Thomas Williams, mother of Ann Williams
b.1799?
m. Thomas Williams
d.
Children 7
1831 John Williams
1833 Hannah Williams 1851 census 18 a servant for Mary Wildig and family in Pride Street
1836 Jan 3 Williams – male, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1837 Thomas Williams,
1840 Eliz Williams
1841 Feb 21 Anne Williams, Cantlop, Shropshire, Eng, (reg.)
1842 July 17 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
Census
1841 Thomas 40 Ag. Lab., Mary 40, John 10, Hannah 8, Elizabeth 5, Anne 4 months, Cantlop, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. (all born in Shropshire)
1851 Thomas & Mary Williams house named Windy Monday reg district Atcham, Ann 10 scholar, Eliz 8 scholar, Hannah 17 no occupation listed, John 20, farm labourer reg district Atcham
1861 Thomas & Mary Williams, Upper Cottage, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. Ann living with her parents, listed as Agr. Labourer’s unmarried daughter

Thomas' father was Emmanuel a tailor

Emmanuel Jones husband of Harriet Mansell & Hannah Duckett
b.1813 Jan 13 All Saints, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. 
m.1835 Aug 23 Harriet Mansell, Eyton upon the Weald Moors, Shoprshire, Eng.
m.1844 Hannah Duckett, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
d.1881 (census no longer alive?)
o:Tailor
Census
1836 Dec 18 New Street, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1838 Aug 7 Duncow Lane, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1839 Feb 27 Duncow Lane, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1841 June 6 living in Cottage Row, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. Emmanuel 25, Harriet 25, Emmanuel 2, Maria Jones 1 month and Maria Poole aged 9.
1844 Chapel Place, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1851 101 New street, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. Emmanual Jones 39, his wife Hannah 28 (John Duckett’s daughter), Harriet & Emmanual’s son Emmanuel 12, Hannah and Emmanuel’s children: Thomas 5, Sarah 3, Richard 1.  A visitor, John Duckett a Day labourer who was a widower and William Thomas a 34 year old Wheelwright (reg.) (photo 101 New St, St George’s, Telford)
1861 101 New Street, Wellington, Shropshire, Emmanuel & Hannah their children Thomas 15, Sarah Ann 13, Richard 11, Elizabeth 9, John 6, Henry 3, Hannah 1 (reg.)
1871 Emmanuel, Hannah, Richard 21 (puddler), John 17 (labourer), Henry 14 (labourer), Hannah 11 (scholar), George 8 (scholar), William 4 (scholar) living at 114? Christ Church Road, Wellington, Shropshire

Thomas' mother & his siblings
Hannah Duckett wife of Emmanuel Jones, mother of Thomas
b.1823 Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
m.1844 Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. (living at Walker Street with parents)
d.
Children 9
1846-1902 Thomas Emmanuel Jones, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1847 Oct 7 Sarah Ann Jones
1850 Feb 27 Richard Jones
1852 May 16 Elizabeth Jones - 1871 census general servant in Eardington, Bridgnorth, for William Baldwin
1855 John Jones - 1881 census general labourer
1857 March 18 Henry (Harry) Jones
1859 Oct 2 Hannah Jones
1862 Aug 3 George Jones
1866 June 20 William Jones
Census
1861 Bagmender
1881 Hannah 55 a widow, no occupation given, living at High street, Little Ireland, Wellington with 4 sons: John 24 (gen. lab.), Henry 23 (ironwork puddler), George 18 (wood turner) and William 14 (errand boy)



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Re: Rubbathan 1725
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 15:31 BST (UK) »
You need to provide marriage details..
What's the source of the births/deaths of Frederick and Winifred.

For some reason (senior moment??) I posted death details of Arthur. It should have been Frederick -

Frederick Jones, Sep Qtr 1872, Salford, 8d 39, age 1
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.