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Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« on: Wednesday 18 July 18 12:10 BST (UK) »
Hello all, I wondered if anyone could help with a problem I have just discovered with my Ancestry tree.  I realised I had 2 George "Fling" Smith b 1790 d 1858 - so I merged them - I thought  Ancestry was having a hiccup and had put him in again instead of adding when I added a record.  Unfortunately it now shows him as having two wives and two families - basically at the same time - so I believe I am looking for another George Smith for one of the ladies.  One George married Margaret "Farmer" Murray 30 Sep 1809 - Rathven and the other married Ann Sinclair at Rathven 31 Aug 1811.  Yes - could be same person - except Margaret and George had children between 1810 and 1830 and Ann and George had children between 1812 and 1837, so I believe there must be another George Smith - oh joy!  Ann Sinclair is my 3rd gr grandmother - so I obviously want to make sure I have the right George.  I bought Scotlandspeople death for a George Smith d 17 Feb 1858 at Findochty.  It states George Smith was a Fisherman - married - no wife's name.  Says he was 67 and parents were William Smith (Peter) Fisherman decd and Ann Smith nee Smith.  I also have Ann Smith nee Sinclair's death cert in 1869.  Says she is the widow of George Smith and her parents were Alexander Sinclair, boat builder decd, and Isabella Sinclair nee Robertson deceased.
Can anyone help me sort these two families out?  Thank you in advance.
Anne
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 13:05 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure I'm fully understanding but...

What was the age of your George on 1841/1851 census'?
Does it tie with his age on the death you have?
Who was the informant on his death?
Where was he living on both census'?
Does this tie with where he died?
Was wife Ann a widow on 1861 census?
Is she living where the George you have the DC for died?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 13:21 BST (UK) »
In addition to the questions that Annie asks:


What was the age of your George on 1841/1851 census'?
Does it tie with his age on the death you have?
Who was the informant on his death?
Where was he living on both census'?
Does this tie with where he died?
Was wife Ann a widow on 1861 census?
Is she living where the George you have the DC for died?


Could you give the names of both sets of children in birth order.  This could sort out which is yours.

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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 13:56 BST (UK) »
I believe this is the family in 1841 the William and Isobel match to births to George and Ann
Family living in Findochty from Freecen all born Banff
George 50 (occ) Whitefish
Ann 45
George 15
Isabel 15
Margaret 12
William 10


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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 14:03 BST (UK) »
Children of George and Ann from Scotland's People
William b 1812 died young?
Ann b 1815
Margaret b 1817 died young?
Alexander b 1820
George b 1822
Isabel b 1825
James b 1827
Margaret b 1829
William b1831
John b 1834
Joseph b 1837

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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 14:18 BST (UK) »
With just a check of the names of their children it does look to be the correct George although a check of the names of the other family are worth looking at as well as the previous questions.

"George Smith was a Fisherman - married - no wife's name.  Says he was 67
parents were William Smith (Peter) Fisherman decd and Ann Smith nee Smith. 
Ann Smith nee Sinclair's death cert in 1869.  Says she is the widow of George Smith
parents were Alexander Sinclair, boat builder decd, and Isabella Sinclair nee Robertson"

William b 1812 died young?
Ann b 1815
Margaret b 1817 died young?
Alexander b 1820
George b 1822
Isabel b 1825
James b 1827
Margaret b 1829
William b1831
John b 1834
Joseph b 1837

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 14:30 BST (UK) »
In 1851 possible census again from Freecen
In Rathven address as Road Leading South
George 60 fisherman b Rathven married
Margaret dau 20 b Rathven unmarried
William son 18 b Rathven unmarried
William Smith grson 6 m b Rathven
William Flett grson 9 b Rathven


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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 14:40 BST (UK) »
Wonder where wife Ann was, in 1851?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Smith Murray and Sinclair confusion
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 July 18 15:01 BST (UK) »
Wonder where wife Ann was, in 1851?

Annie

Been looking for her but nothing