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Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« on: Friday 20 July 18 10:00 BST (UK) »
Elsie and Herbert Pilkington were the 8th and 9th children of Henry Pilkington (1859-1923) and Mary Holden (1857-1917) of Darwen.

Herbert was born twentysomethingth of Mar 1899 and baptised at Darwen St Cuthbert 11 Oct 1899.

Elsie was born 18 Aug 1895 and baptised at St Cuthbert's 11 Sep 1895.

On the 1901 and 1911 censuses they are living with their parents and siblings at 15 Bright Street, Darwen.

It looks like Elsie married Joseph Cooper in 1919 (I've sent for that marriage certificate to confirm) and they had a son John Pilkington Cooper who was born and died Q1 1923.

Herbert was a witness at his brother, Ernest's marriage to Emma Hitchman 10 Sep 1921 in Darwen.

But I can't find a trace of either Elsie or Herbert after 1923/1921 respectively. 

There is a death of an Elsie Cooper in Darwen in 1962, but this is not her, as the Pleasington burial register shows that Elsie Cooper to be the wife of a Herbert Cooper.

If they were still in England in 1939, their entries on the Register must be concealed by mistranscription, probably of their birth years.

Can any kind rootschatter spot their deaths or emigration, or whatever else might have happened to Herbert, or to Elsie and her husband?
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 July 18 10:06 BST (UK) »
Hi

There is a marriage between a Herbert PILKINGTON to Elizabeth TRAFFORD in Darwen Lancashire, 1922. One of the witnesses was Ernest PILKINGTON.

Thoughts??

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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 July 18 10:14 BST (UK) »

Herbert PILKINGTON, his wife Elizabeth and what could well be a daughter Elsie PILKINGTON ( appears that her married name was BOYLE ) and a William TRAFFORD who is most likely Elizabeth's father are in Darwen on the 1939 Register.

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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 July 18 10:19 BST (UK) »
there is this death reg
Herbert Pilkington age 60
Jun qtr 1959
Darwen
10c 117

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 July 18 10:34 BST (UK) »
this looks like the birth marriage and death of Elsie -daughter of Herbert & Elizabeth

Elsie Pilkington b6  May 1923 darwen
Marriage reg
Dec qtr 1946
Elsie Pilkington
Lewis Boyle
Darwen
10c 391

Death reg
Elsie Boyle
born 6 May 1923
Death Jun 1971
age 48
Darwen
10c 321

but where is Auntie Elsie?

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 July 18 10:39 BST (UK) »
What about this death

Elsie Cooper Sep 1962 Darwen 10c 101 aged 67

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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 July 18 16:54 BST (UK) »
Hi

There is a marriage between a Herbert PILKINGTON to Elizabeth TRAFFORD in Darwen Lancashire, 1922. One of the witnesses was Ernest PILKINGTON.

Thoughts??

Cheers
Karenlee
Ooh! Thanks for that, Karen.  Don't know how I missed that - it's amazing what another pair of eyes can see!
Yes, that's definitely him - father and address are right too, and a daughter named after her auntie Elsie seems to seal it for me!

Thanks again!

Thanks also to Suzard for the other pointers.

What about this death

Elsie Cooper Sep 1962 Darwen 10c 101 aged 67

Emeltom
Thanks Emelton, but that's not her: the burial register is on deceasedonline, and that Elsie is the widow of a Herbert Cooper, both of 912 Whalley New Rd, Wilpshire.  Her husband Herbert was buried 10 May 1962 aged 72, and, Elsie was buried shortly after on 9 July 1962, both at Pleasington Cemetery in Blackburn.
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 July 18 17:32 BST (UK) »
Elsie was born 18 Aug 1895 and baptised at St Cuthbert's 11 Sep 1895

It looks like Elsie married Joseph Cooper in 1919 (I've sent for that marriage certificate to confirm) and they had a son John Pilkington Cooper who was born and died Q1 1923.

Herbert was a witness at his brother, Ernest's marriage to Emma Hitchman 10 Sep 1921 in Darwen.

But I can't find a trace of either Elsie or Herbert after 1923/1921 respectively. 

There is a death of an Elsie Cooper in Darwen in 1962, but this is not her, as the Pleasington burial register shows that Elsie Cooper to be the wife of a Herbert Cooper.


Is it possible Elsie died same qtr as her son John Pilkington Cooper?

From Lancashire BMD there’s this entry

1923
COOPER   Elsie   age 27 Blackburn South Eastern   Blackburn   BSE/25/48
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Re: Whatever happened to Herbert Pilkington and his sister Elsie?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 July 18 19:15 BST (UK) »

Is it possible Elsie died same qtr as her son John Pilkington Cooper?

From Lancashire BMD there’s this entry

1923
COOPER   Elsie   age 27 Blackburn South Eastern   Blackburn   BSE/25/48

Oh, well done, and many thanks, Ladyhawk.  Yes, the Darwen Cemetery burial register confirms that this is her. 

Thanks again.

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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk