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Robert Burns Challenge
« on: Wednesday 25 July 18 16:45 BST (UK) »
In one of my many tangents from my own research I have been trying to work out how a gentleman is related to Robert Burns.

His name is Sir James Shaw Baronet (1754-1864), he is from Kilmarnock and his statue stands there.  According to various source inc his obituary he was related to Robert Burns the poet and as a result supported his wife after Burns died in 1796.

Through Burkes Peerage, Debretts and Scotland's people I have so far established that James Shaw was born in 1756 in Riccarton Kilmarnock to John Shaw and Helen Sillers/Sellars.  John was the son of John Shaw and Margaret Woodburn.

Anyone any idea how he ma have been relate to Burns, he appears to have been the son of William Burness and Agnes Broun.
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 19:27 BST (UK) »
I think the claim is similar to an "Ancestry" copy and paste family tree assumption. ie someone has said it, it's been copied and printed/displayed, so it must be true.

I would look at the relationship between Jean Breekenridge and Sir James Shaw, then look at the relationship between Jean Breekenridge and Robert Burns.

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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 20:17 BST (UK) »
pharma, check the dates for James Shaw. Are you sure he lived to 110 years of age?

According to a tree on My Heritage Jean Breekenridge married either Gilbert Burns or John Burns. (Same tree.) Robert Burns had a brother Gilbert.
Robert Burns' funeral was on this day.
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 21:18 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 25 July 18 20:17 BST (UK)
pharma, check the dates for James Shaw. Are you sure he lived to 110 years of age?

According to a tree on My Heritage Jean Breekenridge married either Gilbert Burns or John Burns. (Same tree.) Robert Burns had a brother Gilbert.
Robert Burns' funeral was on this day.

Sorry it's 1764 to 1846
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 23:46 BST (UK) »
  I knew that Gilbert's son Thomas had come to NZ, so checked it out and have found you this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Burns_(farmer)

Scroll down a bit for the marriage Info!  Hope the page is helpful for you! 
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 July 18 00:36 BST (UK) »
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 July 18 09:16 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jaybelnz on Thursday 26 July 18 00:36 BST (UK)
A wee bit more!

  https://digital.nls.uk/histories-of-scottish-families/archive/95086622?mode=transcription

So it seems there was a connection with the Siller family friendship wise as well. Seems as if James Shaw got a lot of people a cadetship in India.  He got my 3x grt grandfather one too which is why I started reading about him.
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 July 18 09:27 BST (UK) »
Hope it was helpful for you PharmaT! 👍👍
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Re: Robert Burns Challenge
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 July 18 09:55 BST (UK) »
Yes, but I really need to stop researching other people and I'll get a lot further in my tree.
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