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William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Friday 27 July 18 05:14 BST (UK) »

Hello all.
I am hoping for help to locate William Common prior to the 1881 census, where he lives in Picton Terrace Newcastle. He is a 27 yr old Glass Maker and gives his birthplace as Sunderland Durham. He is married to Jane Ann (was Wilson), and has 3 children. The eldest Anne is to become my gr grandmother.
I did find the record for his marriage to Jane Ann Wilson in the July to September quarter of 1876.

I have found subsequent records for them in the following years census until his death, which would appear to be  Gateshead, March 1917 where he was given as age 63.
I have been unable to find him in the census records for 1861 or 1871.

William was born in Sunderland, but married in Newcastle, and there on the 1881 and 1901 census.
But, he did spend time in Sunderland too! His daughter Mary was born there in 1878, son John Henzell born Newcastle 1881 yet died in Sunderland the following year, and they were living there during the 1891 census.
There is another family in the Sunderland area (possibly related) John and Catherine Common with a son Wlliam around the same age, which does cause confusion.
William lived his final years and died as a widower in Gateshead, Durham in 1917.
I am hoping someone will be able to help me to find William prior to his marriage, so I can identify his parents and follow his line back.
All help gratefully received.
Eileen
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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 July 18 06:28 BST (UK) »
There is a birth of a William Commons Dec Qtr 1853  Sunderland 10a  311  (on FreeBMD) but I can't find this birth on the GRO Birth Index to confirm the mother's maiden name  :-\

Do you have William's marriage cert?

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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 July 18 07:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the reply Kay.
No, I have not applied for the certificates yet. I am in Australia, so depend on snail mail. May be my next step.
Actually I am embarrassed to admit I have an note on my tree from research done 8 years ago, where I have given detailed information on William’s marriage, but no source. Blowed if I can find the record now!
Below is what I have recorded.

Marriage of William and Jane Ann Common: Married on 1st July 1876 in the parish church of St. Johns in Newcastle on Tyne. 
William Common aged 22 : Glassman.
 His father William Common : Boiler Smith.
 Jane Ann Wilson aged 21.
 Her father William Wilson : Joiner.
 Witnesses : Robert Wales and Dorothy Hill Bennett.
 
Coincidentally the family in Sunderland have boilersmiths and iron workers. William is the only Glass worker so far.

Would I be better off going for his birth certificate Kay? Would there be any more information on his marriage certificate?
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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 July 18 07:26 BST (UK) »
At least with the marriage cert you know it is the right family.   The  birth cert might be another William and without finding it on the GRO Birth Index you can't get it emailed to you  :-\   

I also wonder where the marriage details you have came from - they are very specific even with witnesses

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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 July 18 08:37 BST (UK) »
Oh, if only I could remember Kay, but it was early days, and I was not aware of the importance of making notes!
I have, at times trolled thru various bishops transcripts, but the only other likely place is the Family Search website.
I have just registered on the GRO website, and gave the details from the birth index below,
Name: William Commons
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1853
Registration District: Sunderland
County: Durham
Event Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 10A
Page: 311
Line Number: 24

You are right, despite many variations it cannot find a match.
I will try for a match for the marriage certificate.


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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 July 18 10:51 BST (UK) »
On second thoughts, the marriage certificate won’t give me any more information than I have, just confirm those details . I really need his birth certificate to get his mothers maiden name. So, I have reported the missing entry to the GRO, and hopefully if they get it sorted, I will be able to apply for his birth certificate.
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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 July 18 14:29 BST (UK) »
I do hope they find it and can email it to you    Fingers crossed it helps in the search and do let us know. Will continue to fiddle

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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 July 18 14:42 BST (UK) »
There is a birth of a William Commons Dec Qtr 1853  Sunderland 10a  311  (on FreeBMD) but I can't find this birth on the GRO Birth Index to confirm the mother's maiden name  :-\
Do you have William's marriage cert?
Kay

Sunderland Registrars have no entry for a birth registration of a William Commons in 1853 
https://www.sunderland.gov.uk/article/12356/Copies-of-birth-death-and-marriage-certificates
Searching for "sounds like"   only gives CUMMINGS and CUMMINS   

The GRO Index on FreeBMD is one of the typed copies, not the original, so it could be wrong.

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Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 July 18 15:15 BST (UK) »
Looking at FreeBMD there are 11 names with that GRO reference (10a) 311 in Dec qtr 1853.
There should be 10 names maximum. I haven't checked all the images though.
It might mean that someone has been indexed twice.
The only other William with that ref may have been illegitimate? Has a dash for mother's maiden surname in the new index.
ATKINSON, WILLIAM       
mother -     
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 311

So it might be a possibility. I think in the past where this has been flagged up on Rootschat we have noticed that the GRO website has only indexed one of the surnames.