Tracing Great Grandfather

[CARMIL]

Hi

I am trying to trace my great grandfather named James Hughes. A year of birth 1877 and place of birth we believe to be Madina's Reds which we think is in New Zealand.  Is anyone able to confirm if Madinas Reds is located in New Zealand? Is anyone able to assist with my search?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Carol

[iluleah]

Hi and welcome to rootschat

What record did you get the information about "Madinas Reds" from?

[avm228]

Welcome from me too

Presumably the birthplace comes from the 1911 census transcription (in Openshaw, Lancs)?

Have you traced his marriage to Lily, c1900 (and 1901 census if in UK)?

[avm228]

Details of the son born in 1910: Walter Francis Peter Hughes, mmn Harrison, Jun qtr 1910 Chorlton.

[avm228]

I see that the older children received Catholic baptisms at St Joseph’s, Birmingham (names rendered in Latin):

Violetta Emma Maria Hughes, born 17 June 1902 & baptised 02 Feb 1904 (birth reg: Violet Emma)
Editha Louisa Hughes, born 31 Dec 1903 & baptised 02 Feb 1904 (birth reg: Edith Loie)
Teresia Lilia Hughes, born 26 Jan 1905 & baptised 26 Feb 1905 (birth reg: Teresa Lily)

[avm228]

The marriage?

Mar qtr 1902

James Hughes
Lillie Harrison

Aston, vol 6d p613

[chempat]

Have you got his marriage certificate for information about his father?

[iolaus]

Looking at the 1911 census there is nothing in the column next to the birth place, for nationality if born abroad - so Madinas Red or whatever it is must be in the UK

The first letter to me looks like the first letter in Nellie's name - so maybe it starts with an N

[avm228]

For what it is worth the census clerk appears to have thought the last word in the birthplace was Beds - as it is coded 400 (Bedfordshire), according to the annotation.  The first letter doesn’t resemble the other capital Bs on the page, though.

I must say it isn’t ringing any bells with NZ placenames for me.