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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #117 on: Sunday 17 March 19 08:50 GMT (UK) »
1851*Ashover, Derbyshire
James Holmes  b Ashover, Derbyshire,  Head
Ann Holmes b Ashover, Derbyshire,  Daughter
Sarah Holmes b 1838 Ashover, Derbyshire, Daughter
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William Knight b Beeston, Nottinghamshire Head
Harriet Knight b Arnold Nottingham
Ann Knight b Arnold, Nottinghamshire,  Daughter 
Fanny Knight b Wellington, Derbyshire,  Daughter 
Henry Knight b Wellington, Derbyshire,  Son b Ashover,
Maria Knight b Wellington, Derbyshire, England Daughter
This is Fannys bap*
FANNY KNIGHT   Christening: 16/61839  Arnold, Nottingham  Parents: WILLIAM KNIGHT Mother: HARRIET
other baps there include*(Confusing as Arnold down for Harriet and rest Wellington?)
2. JAMES KNIGHT -  Christening: 06 MAY 1827 Arnold, Nottingham
3. JOSEPH KNIGHT Gender: Male Christening: 14 FEB 1813 Arnold, Nottingham
4. MARY ANN KNIGHT Is this Maria?)Gender: Female Christening: 07 JUL 1844 Arnold, Nottingham,
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1861*Think this is her *
George Mann    40       
Ann Mann 34       
Charles Mann    13       
Harriett Mann   10       
John Henry Mann 6       
Fanny Mann    4       
Elizabeth Mann    9 Mo       
Maria Knight 15 boarder b Ashover, Derbyshire

John Heaps m  Cinementi Boswell   22 Sep 1828
All Saints, Derby, Derbyshire,
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Elizabeth Heap- bp 01 Apr 1801
 Snelston, Derbyshire
Mother   Sarah Heap
--Dont know about being remembered lol ,You need to write books to be in history lol , you still have away with words:) you must mean this Hawthorn 

Hawthorn Smith b 1917 Southwell Mother's Maiden Name:Wilsher


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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #118 on: Sunday 17 March 19 08:52 GMT (UK) »
http://www.gypsygenealogy.com/showarticle.php?article_id=100




above another great link about the Heapes from the fine web site the Gypsy Genealogy, it mentions many locations that you should look for, it is jam packed with great information

Nottingham Journal
Saturday 25 April 1863

Harworth  http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/harworth/hlocn.php
               http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/harworth/hpics.php
Gipsy Wedding_ This quiet little village, on Monday last, was the scene of great attractions, having been announced that a Gipsy wedding would take place at 11 o'clock that morning. The banns of the happy pair, who were camping in the neighborhood, had been duly published in Harworth Church, and the names given, Goliah Heaps and Matilda Elliott, the latter being Cousin of Holmes, the noted horse dealer. At the time appointed the Village seemed alive to what was about to take place, work rested for a while, and many sight_seeing strangers suddenly made their appearance so that the road from the inn to the church was thickly hoed with a mass of persons. Meantime, the respected Curate, the Rev. R. R. Moore, was waiting at the alter, when it was heard," they are coming". Immediately every available place was taken up, and the Church was so crowded that the Bridal party could scarcely pass. In a few moments, a young healthy, well_built Woman, made her appearance before the alter, accompanied by her Father, and followed by her Sister and her intended, a fine looking fellow, she was neatly attired in a spotted muslin dress with scarf to match, white silk bonnet, black kid boots, and a bunch of flowers in her hand, the men wore black cloth, white flowers and gloves, and appeared very respectable. At the close of the ceremony, it was found that none of the party could either read nor write. After a few moments delay, they steadily withdrew, followed by a great company of people,. Leaving the Church-Yard a complete shower of old boots and shoes were seen flying in all directions, but to heighten the scene, two men walked close behind the party playing a merry tune with-tin whistles, till they arrived at the Galway Arms,
where and hot dinner of roast beef and plum pudding was provided for fourteen. The remainder of the day was spent in merry making, during the evening crowds of people visited the Inn, to catch a glimpse of the party.  Such occurrence of a Gipsy wedding as never been known to take place in Harworth before, so says that mysterious personage the oldest inhabitant. At an early hour the next day, the camp broke on, the Bridal party going Westward and the other Eastward.
 

just a few Extracts below to show Relatives, this Great Gipsy Family, i have many records of them and will put them on to help you in your research

Derby Courier 1 April 1865
Eckington Petty Sessions- Extract
 Two Hawkers Elliott and Heaps-charged with stealing the carcass of a dead sheep.

Derby Mercury 3 May 1865
Coroners Inquest- Extract
Sarah Heaps,  Gipsy, called up as a witness, Sarah said she lived with her Sister Father and Mother at Heage, they are lodging with her cousin George Heaps.

In 1861-62 in several papers , Priscilla Heaps, Gipsy Fortuneteller, on the run, for in 1856 She duped the wife of a farmer out of 43 pounds, she told the woman the money was bewitched, the answer was to hand over the money, Priscilla was at-large until November 61, in 62 She now faced the Court.   r.i.p 

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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #119 on: Sunday 17 March 19 09:04 GMT (UK) »

you write about the Holmes, Sue above as written of them to from the census reports She as found, below is small extracts i have found for you to read also, they may help you to find what you seek

Sheffield Independent Thursday 18 March 1880
Worksop Hunted Game  with a Dog.—William Holmes known also as " Gipsy Holmes," who travels the country trading in horses
 Derbyshire Courier Saturday 1 November 1879
Game Tresspass   Elliott and Holmes Supt. Carlino said both men were gipsies, and it was with a very great difficulty that they had been able to serve the summons on the defendant. They had not yet succeeded in serving a summons on Holmes. 
Sheffield independent  Saturday 22 April 1871
WORKSOP.  — At this court, on Wednesday, William Holmes, alias Gipsy Holmes, was fined for allowing a number of young horses to Stray
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald Saturday 5 March 1870
Death of a Well-known Character.—" Old Billy Holmes," Gipsy and horse dealer, and "Old Betty Holmes," his wife, have been very extensively known for many years in most parts of England, and also in Wales and Ireland too. For some time past named personage, "Old Betty," has been in a very precarious state of health, and on Sunday morning last she ceased to live. She was interred at Bolsover Church on Wednesday, in the presence of a large number of spectators. The funeral cortege was very extensive, the "Romany" tribe being strongly represented.
Derby Mercury 21 March 1866
EXTRAORDINARY CASE OF FORTUNE-TELLING.  A swarthy gipsy, who gave the name of Mary Ann Holmes,  was brought up on a charge of pretending to tell fortunes.
Nottingham Guardian 7 October 1864
CAUNTON. — Distressing Death of a Gipsy. — For some time past William Holmes, the well-known gipsy horse dealer, has, along with his family and a retinue of vans and horses, been camping in the yard of the Plough Inn on Sunday morning Dr. Beveridge visited  and pronounced the girl to be in danger from small-pox. After great suffering, the poor girl died in the afternoon of the same day; her gipsy relations standing round in the open air weeping bitterly, and forcibly reminding one of those touching lines in the " Negro's Complaint" — " Fleecy locks and black complexion Cannot forfeit Nature's claim ; Skins may differ, but affection Dwells in white and black the same."  It is hard, perhaps, to measure the doings of these rude followers of camp life with the habits of more civilized people, The deceased was very decently and respectably interred in Caunton churchyard on Tuesday afternoon. The relatives appeared in respectable mourning, and the corpse was carried by young women in white hoods. Much grief was manifested by the mourners at the grave, and all passed off in a very decorous manner.
Nottinghamshire Guardian Thursday 10 February 1859
Gipsy's Wedding.—   Ann Holmes, " queen of the gipsies" in this neighbourhood. 
Derbyshire Courier Saturday 2 June 1855
Releasing Sheep from a Pound.—Elizabeth Holmes was charged. Defendant belongs to the well-known family of the Holmes, generally called "Gipsy Holmes,” whose usual locality is in the neighbourhood of Bolsover, which they have infested, to the no small discomfort of the land occupier, for years.
Friday 23 April 1852 Lincolnshire Chronicle
Gipsy Wedding at Caunton.—On Monday the 12th inst, Samuel Holmes, son of Gipsy Holmes, of horse-dealing notoriety Considerable excitement was occasioned in the surrounding villages, and curiosity raised its highest pitch to witness on the arrival of the wedding party at Caunton church.  several hundred respectable people, dressed in  their holiday attire, assembled to celebrate the gipsy wedding. Holmes provided an 18-gallon barrel of ale and a liberal supply of gin for his friends.   A fiddler being in attendance, dancing was got up and kept going with great spirit until It was dark
Derbyshire Couier Saturday 11 February 1843
Mr John Holmes, horse dealer, Miss Lydia Parker, both of Sutton Scarsdale, married on Wednesday last
Derbyshire Courier Saturday 17 June 1843
John Holmes, of Scarcliffe, a boy, was charged with wilfully damaging a field the property of Mr. Scorer, of Scarcliffe.  The defendant is one of a family of gipsy horse-dealers, residing at Scarcliffe.   Elizabeth Holmes, the mother of the defendant in the last case, was then charged with assaulting Joseph Heath, pinder, of Scarcliffe, by throwing a stone at him.

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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #120 on: Sunday 17 March 19 09:07 GMT (UK) »
you write these words below and they have helped me in my research, i put the few on at the bottom to link the familys up through storys of their life, along with the census reports from people like Sue, well mostley Sue,  we all then start to truley understand the truth, i will put more on later about the Winters Elliotts Heapes Woodwards Holmes Allens Smiths Boylings Knights Wiltshires Wilshers Wilshaws and several ways of spellings and more names that are related or connected in any way that may help everyone who is connected and is trying to learn the truth of the past that inturn helps themselfs to understand what they do not know


Joseph Wilsher 1865 and Elizabeth Woodward 1863  Emmanuel Woodward 1842 and Mary Ann Allen 1845   Thomas Woodward 1820 and Mary Williams 1815.  .
Is, Joseph Wilsher 1865 and Elizabeth Woodward 1863  Emmanuel Woodward 1842 and Mary Ann Allen 1845   Thomas Woodward 1820 and Mary Williams 1815...  Derbyshire 1881, 

This would be the Woodward I speak of, Mary Ann Allen and Emmanuel Woodward are Elizabeth parents and Thomas Woodward and Mary William are her grandparents.

There are also a number of bothers and sisters to Elizabeth.
     
The link I am researching and trying to prove at the moment is... Robert Winter 1828 married a Jane Wilshaw 1837, I believe Jane 1837 to be one of William Wilshaw 1811 child...

One of Jane/Robert Winter kids marries a Thomas Woodward, who I believe to be Elizabeth Woodward bother. I need to start purchasing certificates to prove or disprove the intermarrying tho.
 
 
The Allens and Winters are more Gipsy Familys that are stated as being related to the people we are talking about, below is a few records I will put more on later


 Derby Daily Telegraph
Wednesday 13 July 1910

                                        GIPSIES SENTENCED FOR ROBBERY WITH
                                                              VIOLENCE

Three Gipsies, Joseph Allen, Sarah Allen, and Barbara Winter were sentenced at the Chester Assizes on Tuesday for robbing with violence David Woodward another Hawker, of £42. It was stated that Woodward went to their encampment to buy a caravan, and that in a dispute he was knocked senseless, and that whilst the woman held his hands Joseph Allen went through his pockets. Joseph Allen was sentenced to nine months imprisonment, Sarah Allen to six and Winter four.

If you read several other reports regarding this event, and not just the date stated above, you may find out more information that may help you in your research
(Their ages are mentioned)
(Tranmere as a closer location plus more information regarding the location of the camp site)
(It is stated that David Woodward was accompanied with his wife and the fight was among five Gipsies not three)
 (They had been to a Public House)   
(Information about the content of the fight)
(Sara Was Josephs Wife)
 

THE SHEFFIELD DAILY TELEGRAPH
THURSDAY 25 NOVEMBER
1869
ASSAULTS.-Joseph Willsher and Thomas Willsher, Pot Hawkers, Attercliffe, were charged with assaulting David Allen, of Brampton Moore, near Chesterfield. Mr. Sugg appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. Chambers defended. On Tuesday afternoon prosecutor was in the horse fair when he was struck by the prisoner Joseph, and the brother kicked him whilst he was on the ground. He was cruelly ill-used, and was rendered unfit to follow his occupation. The bystanders sent for a Policeman, and the prisoners ran away, but were apprehended under a warrant.-The Magistrates were of the opinion that a savage assault had been committed, and the prisoners were ordered to be imprisoned in the House of Correction for two months each.


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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #121 on: Monday 18 March 19 22:27 GMT (UK) »
 

Look at this story below, the Elliotts and Smiths are relations, so are the Nelsons from the censuses below, i have been looking at them for a few years collecting storeys, i followed them right up into Scotland, there i have wrote about them maybe being also known as Neilsons, for i have found storeys of them, now look at this story below, Alexander Neilson could be Alexander Nelson from one of the census reports below, i think everybody knows each other much more than anyone alive now knows, the Walter Bowring maybe could be a Nelson desended from Walter Nelson who married a Lotis Willshaw in the census below, i will put more on soon connecting Richard Elliott with the Wiltshires and more connecting storeys, this could turn out to be a great find, everyone still must of knew every family over decades, look how the Knights are there to, i left other familys out of the census reports below so as to just concentrate on the Nelsons, if you look at the previous post the full names are there, this below about Alexander Neilson could turn out to be a great find,

ps.... if Alexander Neilson is Alexander Nelson that meens he is Watter Nelsons Son, who is the   Son-in-Law of William Willshaw  abt 1811  Longbillington, Nottinghamshire, Head Tinner & Brazier   which confirms the Neilsons being Nelsons, then William is suposed to be the Son of Edward Wiltshire from the 1700s, but no one as a clue who he is, there is a bartie Jones Gipsy up in court from the 1840s for stealing a horse, he is chased by the police from Lincolnshire through to Yorkshire, i will write about him soon, the jones you are looking for who is Lidia Willshaw abt 1812    Codbrough, Nottinghamshire, maiden name, and you said she married William, well Bartie Jones whos wife is Ann is the only one i can find, the Jones that married William may just be local Lady, but i will right back about Bartie soon


Friday 01 June 1894
 Mansfield Reporter
  Nottinghamshire 



GIPSIES CAMPING Out—Richard Elliot, Walter Bowring, Henry Smith, and Alexander Neilson, gipsies, were summoned for obstructing the highway. —lnspector Hopkinson stated that at 3 a.m. on the 29th ult. he found the defendants in Candwell-lane, Sutton-in-Ashfield, with three living vans, one sleeping van,a waggon, a light cart, and seven horses camping out. Complaints have been received from farmers living in that neighbourhood about the gipsies camping out and turning their horses loose.—Defendants were each fined.

  People not in houses*
1861*Pontefract, Yorkshire
William Willshaw      abt 1811  Longbillington, Nottinghamshire, Head  Tinner & Brazier       
Lidia Willshaw     abt 1812    Codbrough, Nottinghamshire,     Wife     

Joseph Willshaw    abt 1846    Darrington, Yorkshire   Son
Lidia Willshaw     abt 1848    Lincoln, Lincolnshire    Daughter   
Walter Nelson *   abt 1829    Scotland    Son-in-Law       
Lotis Nelson      abt 1829    Stowe, Lincolnshire,    Daughter   
Henry Nelson     abt 1853    Wakefield, Yorkshire,     Grandson     
George Nelson     abt 1854    Wakefield, Yorkshire,    Grandson   
Harriet Nelson     abt 1856    Carlton, Yorkshire,   Granddaughter     
Mary Nelson     abt 1858    Pontefract, Yorkshire,    Granddaughter     
 
1861**Town: Pontefract (People sleeping in Tents)
County/Island: Yorkshire
William Willshaw 50 hd Tinner and Brazier
Lidia Willshaw 49 wife
Joseph Willshaw 15 son
Lidia Willshaw 13 dau
Walter Nelson 32 son in law born SCOTLAND **
Lotis Nelson 32 dau
Henry Nelson 8 g son
George Nelson 7 g son
Harriet Nelson 5 g/dau
Mary Nelson 3 g/dau
 
1871*Parish:Doncaster Ecclesiastical parish:St George *:Yorkshire
Gypsies *Camp in Cherry Lane*
Walter Nelson 45 Hawker(Gypsy)
Lettuce Nelson 43
Henry Nelson 17
Harriet Nelson 13
George Nelson 12
Jemima Nelson 10
David Nelson 8
Alexander Nelson 6
Betsey Nelson 2
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1881*Mexborough, Yorkshire   

Walter Nelson    abt 1826    Durham, Head    besom maker
Clar Nelson    abt 1828    Thurnsby, Yorkshire,     Wife    ?why Clar?   
Alice Nelson    abt 1865    Doncaster, Yorkshire,   
Betsy Nelson    abt 1870    Eastwood, Yorkshire,     
Thomas Nelson    abt 1873    Eastwood, Yorkshire,     Son         
William Nelson    abt 1874    Mexbro, Yorkshire,   Son   
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1881*Parish: Thorne County/Island: Yorkshire
Alexander Nelson 67 Tin Plate worker born Kilroy, Scotland
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1891*Civil Parish: Mexborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Yorkshire

Walter Nelson 66 hd b Carington Lam, Durham, besom maker
Lettie 64 wife
Thomas 17b
Wm Nelson 15 coll lab
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George Nelson 29 b Royston, Yorkshire colliery labourer(caravan in Field)
lavina 27
Thomas 10
Lilly 11
Grtrude Nelson 5
Harriett Nelson 3
 
1901*Mexborough St John the Baptist *Yorkshire
George Nelson 45 colliery labourer
Thomas Nelson 17
Gertrude Nelson 15
Harriett Nelson 12
Ephraim Nelson 8
Oscar Nelson 4
George Nelson 1 month
Walter Nelson 80 father bon scotland No occupation
1861*Town:Wath upon Dearne:Yorkshire
James Knight   44 b Chesterfield, Derbyshire Earthenware Dealer
Emma Knight   36 b Portsea Hampshire
Harriet Knight   14
Maria Knight   12 dau b Sheffield
Henry Knight   10
Tom Knight   7
Bill Knight   2
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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #122 on: Friday 22 March 19 09:26 GMT (UK) »

Buried
Joseph Wilsher 1865-1938
Elizabeth Wilsher nee Woodward 1863 abt-1953
Henry Wilsher 1885-1940 
Mary Owen nee Wilsher 1894-1940

Authority :Nottingham City Council       
Cemetery : Southern Cemetery (Wilford Hill), Nottingham                     

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« Reply #123 on: Saturday 23 March 19 08:49 GMT (UK) »
I suppose your have read all my posts of the past, this below is from January 2016, i also remember long ago when i was small, Letty had been ill for a while, my Mother would tell us to be quiet when we played out, then one day Letty Died she was cremated and her ashers were spread on the the grave of Rebeccas in the form of a cross, i saw this with my own eyes, someone wrote to me and said William is burried with Rebecca, which William maybe them both i do no know, maybe more i have never tryed to find out, all you have to do is either log on the Wilford Cemetry web site or just go down there and talk to people and pay a small fee for them to tell you everything, they will evan walk you over to the hidden graves, Letty had a daughter also named Rebecca, she never would smile at us, my Mother was also Rebecca, Lettys Rebecca had dark brown hair like my Mother, and she was older than our lot, you would think her face would crack from being so tight in the way there was no emotion, i was small just running around with my brothers wild like and offen she would pass by and i would shout out helo, sure if i dint of done it she would have walked straight by, she would just remark, helo, and carry on walking like we was never there, Aurnty Letty was alright though, She would watch us play on the old graveyard opposite her house, my Mother would always call in to talk with her, She had one of thoes little Gipsy caravans made of clay or wood as an ornament, my Mother had one to, we lived a few doors away, its very close to Gedling Street and also where Luckknow Street was, the place that you talk of, well they are just a few hundred yards away, over many decades many people lived within a very close circle, the more i have found out the more amazing the story goes, sometimes i walk down the old streets and think how i walk the very same route as was walked by all the people that have been mentioned, where did you get the photo from, who of, i want you to tell me.




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« Reply #185 on: Saturday 02 January 16 08:37 GMT (UK) »

 I would often go with my Mother to pay respects to People at Wilford Hill, there are lots there names like William, Joseph, Percy, Henry, Edward, James, Frederick, Maria ,Rebecca, Letty, and more those sorts of names, lots we new of, lots as come as a surprise to me, I'm as sure as sure can be thoe that there all related, and more to, same as those other cemetery's, they were just ordinary people living there own life in there own time, there were no fancy kings or great names known by others, no fancy big gravstones, not nothing at all much just People gone now to this life, but I will speak more of them and what i know another time, oral history, there on the right side as you go in the main entrance, up that little winding path, i know this is true, for i was there, i hope this is of help one day, some of there relatives will look, and they will find there way through my words, all those times long ago I would jump and skip along that path, seems so long ago now, my Mother had great love for the Dead, happy days, most were born mid to late 1800s, i think there are more over at the northern bulwell cemetery, but I was never there, i have seen their names on records, i would say some could be right, pluss on some records its not just the last name that can be spelled differently, where people have marriage records giving a Fathers name say George,
and yet they can not connect a George to an older Family that stands out as true, this is be course on records I have seen William be known as George William, then just William, so if you come across say a George don't be thinking that was the only name he went by, you have to take no notice of what you think is the right way of researching, you are dealing with people far different from anyways you thought was possible

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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #124 on: Saturday 23 March 19 11:07 GMT (UK) »
This is Rebecca Wilsher's grave with bother William Wilsher, mother Maria Wilsher nee Hartley and Rebecca's kid I believe.

This grave is just across from my second great grand father's grave.

I have many burial registers I have paid for and photos of graves people have shared.

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« Reply #125 on: Saturday 23 March 19 20:28 GMT (UK) »
 
Thank you for the information about David, where it says he is burried in the grave with Rebecca, this is one of thoes big finds that starts the key turning in that creaky rusty old lock in the guardian door of time, if you reread the story above about me going to Wilford Hill as a young boy with my Mother you will liston to me saying how you turn right at the main entrance then go along that little path to the graves, the path is a bit more done up now but look on the picture you sent of the burriel ground and at the car park is the main entrance, if you read my post about Wilford the words i write match the picture you sent, the sad thing for me to think is a Cousin started writing to me several years ago, long before i came on rootschat, well i told my Cousin all about a story of a young boy who died long ago named David, my Cousin said that they did not know of him, i told my Cousin i remember my Mother telling me of a young fellow who died, long long ago, i thought about this so much trying to remember details well it made all sorts of answers come into my head, so in the end i was not sure what was told me only the name of David and that he died, my Cousin told me they had found Rebeccas grave at Wilford by paying a small fee to the Council orthority of Wilford Hill Cemetry, i told my Cousin about me going there many times over the yeares for my Mother never got over the death of her Mother and would worship the ground she walked on and now she would go to vissit her at Wilford Hill and take me with her to, she must have been going long before i was born, i remember there being a white stone grave to like the one of Joseph but i could be getting confused, the sad thing is my Cousin never mentioned about who was in the grave with Rebecca, i hope that my Cousin did not know at the time and just told me Rebecca was there for that was all the information they had at the time, i asked who was in the grave with rebecca, i know there was a William, for William was the name on a little stone monument at the grave, i did not know which William, and i never new that Mariha was there, my Cousin said they only got one name on the paper they give you, and that you have to pay more for more names, is that true, i told my Cousin storys all about David and Mariha, why did they not tell me about David and Mariha being in the grave, i never said anything wrong, it was my Cousins who wrote to me for answers, now you have said you write also to my Cousins yet they told you who was in the grave, and you have now told me, i can only thank you for that, i do hope people were not just being bad to me, maybe they never new then what they know now.

David is a massive clue to who Mariha his, Rebecca named her own daughter after herself, thats my Mother, one of her brothers was named after my Mothers Grandad William Wilsher, yes my uncle was known as uncle Billy, so Rebecca named my Mother and her Son after her own Mother and Father, i was brought up to know the story of a David but not rearly knowing the truth, now you say David is in the grave with them all, and the Wilshers all using the name David as an alias yeares back as in David Hartley the name of Mariha before she married William, Rebecca must of named David after a David Hartley of the past, i wonder if Rebeccas Grandad was David Hartley, look at the storys on my next post that i wrote about a few yeares ago, many many times we would go to Wilford, it was me who new where the graves were, many many old storys, lots was past down to me, i am the only living person who knows of the Wiltshires Wilshaws Wilshers Wilshires and a bag full of other ways of spelling that name, the only person alive in the worled who knows real true storys is me, i would talk to old people when i was young who new all the old Wilshers, my own Mother also would pass down everything just to me of what She herself was told, read the storys on the next page