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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #270 on: Thursday 18 March 21 20:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Our William Smith bn 1864, a full brother to George Smith 1868-1949 also lived in Nottingham.  He married Minnie Bacon.  I have a few bit on the Bacon's - not a lot , but will share what I have this week when I have sorted it out.

I have started researching William again and their half brother Thomas Albert Smith bn 1863 who also lived in Nottingham to see if any new information has come on line.  I'll share all I find.
Bye for now
Kazi

Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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« Reply #271 on: Sunday 21 March 21 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Kazi

Thank you again like i say i will look also, look after yourselve Kazi

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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #272 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 10:00 BST (UK) »
Hi there. my name is kevin addley and i live in new zealand was it my tree you are talking about? happy to share anything i have regarding my great grandmother flora scamp with you hope to hear from you regards kevin


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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #273 on: Saturday 10 April 21 09:29 BST (UK) »
   Helo Kevin pleased to meet you and i hope you are well, yes you come up on Ancestry as a distant relative of mine through the dna sequence in the common ancestor range, it must be through your ancestors known as the Scamps for i have several connections to the same people through more Gipsy Family's like the Beaneys and Gardiners who Ancestry puts me as related to them, i also am dna related to a Girl born from a Scamp Mother the Father i think was a Clark, all their related matches that we both share are of the Gipsies. In my research into the Family clusters that have taken the Ancestry dna test i looked through their own unique dna which was tested as individuals, well i find i match through dna to them all, i dna match to several Bucklands and reading of their Family lines, well these Bucklands are all close relatives and i match through my own dna to all of them, this analyse is surely a validation of logical data.   

Ancestry send me names of Gipsy's from Europe, several now, they write in their profile how they are Roma Romany and true not a drop of British dna in their body yet i have the full British dna yet me and my Romany Cousins from the Americas and Europe share far of dna, in life you are what is inside you, Ancestry claim me and you are and share fragments of dna from a common Ancestor that is still alive in us in this day when i look into your Ancestor's i find the match through the Scamps linage, i match through dna to Male and Female Lees born in this day from born and bred Lees, the Scamps seem to me to be an old Gipsy Family connected to the Lees they all are more than likely from the same People so in this sense names do not matter so maybe the dna is showing up ancient long lines that in this day names just cloud the arisen, we share in this day about a lock of hair the same as what people used to cut from the dead and save in a golden locket to feel close to their loved ones, now in this day through the science of dna and the fine people that run Ancestry well again this new road is being built that i think in the future will show and ignite a light that will never dim, evan in the doubted mind, maybe there is no one true answer its just our mind as not developed to cope with this sort of intricate information, i am not educated through school to no standard yet i have tryed my best to educate myself in the science of life, i remotely understand the universe as in the periodical table, the Elements and have come to know that maths are the building blocks of everything, all revolves around numbers, you can make anything work if you wish but is it the true reading of numbers, if you die in this life a success and one who champions a said road as in a true pass, for what of such things for if in after your death the road you trod was an uneven road that only pleased those with not the mind to think freely, people it is said are of the animal kingdom and the humans used to be followers like the herds of other beasts, some meat eaters some grass grazers, mostly i think we all come from a tribe like animal that is still there in the inside of us all, then we found fire we found grain we found the wheel, we stopped being hunters on the move and started to form community's over thousands of years we stopped grunting for we needed language to barter with the other settled tribes who also grew crops and kept livestock for food and trade, in the past we just had to be able to kill on the run so maybe a sort of quite singe language was the first language, i do think though from reading others thoughts that they themselves in their mind thoughts reconnect to more the herd followers, now in the flight or fight mindset which i think is hotwired into us all over thousands of yeares of evolution it is said that when we left the trees in our monkey state it was because the forests were diminishing and vast open prairie lands were being formed by the giant ice melts of long ago, that's when our backs started to unstoop and we walked around learning now to run from the beasts that were stronger than us, in the end it is said we became civilised as nations as we had conquered and colonised the world all others were tamed or killed in the wake that followed the wave cast forth adrift the ship, i do not really know anything of the Gipsy's from the South of these English lands yet time and time again now Ancestry send me old Cousin dna matches of names like Cooper Wells Lock Harrison Small Burton and many more that i think come from the South, i do not know of these Peoples yet through me just tyring to think straight it must meen in the far times Gipsy's must have been generally all connected to each other, more than likely all of them stem from just a few Family tribes that contained several Family's then over in Britain to a certain amount they split up and interbred with the locals, then in this time some would be of the North and some of the South i think Ancestry as shown me through my dna that they all are from the ones that were first all together and by me being distantly related to the Roma and Gipsy Peoples of Europe well it proves in my own mind that all Peoples from the Gipsy's are from the same Peoples.

Kevin it would be great if you could write of  Flora Scamp 

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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #274 on: Sunday 18 April 21 08:55 BST (UK) »
 Hi Kazi

I came across another Booth Family in my dna common Ancestor range on one side of the Lady's tree her Grandmother was Mary Keziah Booth born in 1902 her family lines goes back through the Booths and Smiths which includes Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790- if you go back a few pages on this thread you will see how people write to me about these Smiths, then I start to understand a Family structure then when I research more names in my Smith matches I forget the lot, try as I mignt it sure is a hard thing to do, Janey who dna matches to me wrote she came out of a Cain Smith in the 1700s it must be this Cain below

Saturday 07 August 1762
 Oxford Journal
  Oxfordshire

C O UN TRY NEWS
  Thursday Night Cain Smith, a Gypsey, was committed to our Castle for Robbery on the Highway, committed in ……...then theres is the Turtle Smiths from the 1700s David wrote to me also several pages back about this below

“Hello Michael
 
Looking at your dna matches it appears that we have a link through a female Smith
related to Abraham 1680, Absalom Smith 1768 Levi Smith 1810 Divers Smith 1856 Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790.....
I have not done a dna. My Smiths are mainly Notts., Leics, and Derbys. My Grandmother, Beatrice was born in Whitwick, Leics in 1880; and is in the 1881 census at Bulwell Forest travelling with her Grandfather, Levi 1810-1883.
 
All the best
David.

 Well Kazi if I match to all these lines of Smiths it must meen way back in time they all matched to each other, this is my dna match  below I only give her first name for she goes by her marridge name now and of course i will not put such things up.

  So on the free bits of information you may see a Certificate of Henry Clayton or Smith 1833 and photos of people like Adeliza Booth  Beatrice Booth  Nathaniel Booth (1861Albert Booth Aaron James Booth.   

Her Granmar is Mary Keziah Booth of Oakham Rutland,  Mary's Mother and Father were  Nathaniel Booth 1861 1934
Of Barleythorpe, Rutlandshire and Adeliza Alice Ann Smith 1864–1925 of Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire Nathaniel Mother was Emma Booth of Hoby Leicestershire and his Father was Henry Booth of Dally Leicestershire Adeliza Mother was Ryerdunty Smith born 1817- of Waltham, Leicestershire, and her Father was Napthali  Smith 1820–1865 of Melton Mowbray Leicestershire They all come out of Sophia Smith of Rutland1790–1853 Jane Smith of Stafordshire 1770–1802
Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790-of Marston Trussell, Northamptonshire.


If you do look back a few pages you will see these names above mentioned by people who have dna matched to me and are from the Smiths so this Lady named Lesley Of Lincolnshire is another connecting dna match in the common Ancestor range, I share six dna matches with Lesley that are all from the Gipsy Family's of old, they  include another Smith Girl who only shows a few names on her profile but one is a marridge of a

Drewcilla Smith to a Edward Charlotte, Drewcillas Mother was Phoebe Smith, 1885–1988
there are Smiths on both of sides of this matches Family tree but most of the information you will only see if you write to your dna match and pass a sort of test, then they may let you see and know more, a great many of my Gipsy related dna matches share a free basic family tree that opens your eyes to the past, you then must write to them for far more in depth Family knowledge that you may then see if they like you to some degree, they have spent much time i suppose on gathering all the information over many years so they guard this information in some respect until they get to know you, some of my Gipsy Matches in relations are quite cold and hide evan their Ethnicity, i wander what goes through their minds then i stop wandering for when i go into their minds i find its is a cold unwelcoming place so i leave such thoughts alone, i do not write to no one, Janey said i could join Her profile as did Sky but i think its for the best i stay alone, i do thank them though, it was a kind thing to do and i am sure good luck will come and pass their way.   

Take a look Kazi through the names above like i say these Booths may be known to you, let me know if you get the chance to read this, i have told you of the Booths down the South connected to the Coopers who i match to and the Booths connected to the Sherriffs who i dna match to, you told me these are not the ones you have knowledge of so are these Booths above who i dna match to connected to the Booths you are looking for, if not i will let you know when more comes to light.

I do hope you are well and take care of youself..michael
 



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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #275 on: Sunday 18 April 21 09:35 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Yes, most of those people are in our tree,  Nathaniel Smith 1861 is my sons 3 X Great Uncle...  but most of the other appear in some place or another in our tree.

I haven’t done much since we last messaged (I will PM you).  I will get back on with it.  I had our DNA tested through Ancestry and that is where our tree is  - I do have the tree set as private’s but give access as asked.

I have this weekend also ordered a few more certificates to progress my research...

Am I right in thinking you use My Heritage?  I have never used it but my friend Tracey does and has great success, maybe I should try it.

Hope everyone is staying safe, Kazi
Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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« Reply #276 on: Sunday 18 April 21 11:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Kazi

 I received your pm. yes i am registered to My Heritage as well as Ancestry dna, my Daughter got me the Ancestry dna pack for a gift, she lives in Nottingham then my Son who lives in Buckinghamshire gave me a gift of a My Heritage dna pack, i do not go on the My Heritage one for it feels like my head is being spun everytime i try to look at it, Ancestry dna in format is unbelievable great to use and understand, its so easy to navigate, you must ask Tracy to write to me if she wants, who is she from if shes related to me through the dna sequence in the common ancestor range, My Heritage is more than likely just as good as Ancestry its just i received Ancestry first and got used to using it, if i was to take some time in going onto My Heritage i have no doubt it would be just as great as Ancestry if not better, i will go back on it and have another go.

Its great to that at last we found the connection between the Booth Smiths that connects our talk, i have many more Smiths as in direct Smiths in the dna range of relations, i have not evan tryed to look into them yet, i have about twenty Smith Family lines, or twenty Smiths who are related to me through dna on Ancestry some have Gipsy's on both sides some have the Gipsy Ancestry say just through their Fathers side, but they are all born and bred Smiths i have lots of Lees to and Lovell's and some of them are from America the Lovell's i meen, i think the Lees are still over these lands the Bunces who are from the Boswell Herons they are from far over another ocean in the lands they now live, they come out of the famous Alma Boswell that i have researched much, the Blackpool Boswells are ritch in history i have collected vast amounts about them just to learn of the Gipsy History, i never in my wildest dreams did ever think one day i would share dna with their own descendants, and when i found out about my Heron and Hearne connections through dna well i almost swallowed my tongue, every day i learn more, i found lots of Coopers to and i can not believe it but i am sure this Lady who is a Cooper from America well she used to write to me yeares ago several times and now i think i have found her again this time through being dna related to me,   i wrote about the Herons to on here and then the same direct Heron Family that i was researching turns out to share old dna with me, wild or what, serendipity, i love researching i hope you do to, take care Kazi

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Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« Reply #277 on: Sunday 18 April 21 16:48 BST (UK) »
Good day to Kazia and Micheal ,i ,m descended from Cain 1 my 5th greatgrandfather ,down through his son Cain 2 ,then his daughter  Evening ,then her daughter  Sibby /Siberena ,then her daughter my greatgranny Emily who was common law to Fred Elliott .Their daughter Ginny / jane Elliott  was my grandmother ,married to Ben Smith ,my dads parents .Ben was descended on his paternal side from James Smith my 6th greatgrandad  then through 3 of his sons Jasper ,Absolom and salvino /Fido my 5th greats,then  through cousin marriages ,their children Wisdom , Cain ,Trinity ,Unity ,Robert ,Thomas being my 4th greats ...
Smith, Wilson ,Elliot ,Ratchford Burnside ,

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« Reply #278 on: Sunday 18 April 21 20:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane

   You come from the greatest of Peoples thank you for putting the history up of your relatives, it is of the most importance to help people of the future to learn of everything that in after our times will be lost to them, just in the feel of a persons words may history be passed on, i know you already have found out lots of things but are any of these reports of help, if i find more i will write back and tell you of such things, these below are just a few extracts that i find, the Newspaper Archives are a must for all who come on Rootschat, it is only a few pounds to sign up for a chance to find out  vast amount of information of the past times, everyone who is serious about researching their old Family's from the Gipsy Peoples of long ago should signe up to the Archives and await to be amazed
 
Friday 31 January 1851
    Stamford Mercury
      Lincolnshire

on the road, Trinity Smith, gipsy aged 70……...


Friday 31 January 1851
   Lincolnshire Chronicle
     Lincolnshire
   
in a Gipsy Tent, Trinity wife of Cain Smith, basket-maker, aged 70…………. 


Friday 25 February 1853
  Lincolnshire Chronicle
     Lincolnshire
 
At Pilsgate, on the 19th inst., very suddenly, Baity son of Cain Smith, basket-maker……... 

 
Friday 30 September 1853
    Stamford Mercury
      Lincolnshire

 
 A Gipsy's Prophecy. —At Northampton, a few days ago, gipsy woman named Trinity Smith was sentenced to three months' imprisonment for defrauding Mrs. Braines of Is. 6……….
 

 
 Friday 11 April 1856
   Stamford Mercury
    Lincolnshire

and on the 9th, Cain alias Gipsy Smith, formerly of Wittering, aged 76. At the Railway gate-house, Easton, Lavina infant daughter of Mr. Thos. Smith………... 

 
 Monday 07 August 1911
    Aberdeen Press and Journal
     Aberdeenshire
       Scotland


 A gipsy woman,- named Trinity Smith, had (according to correspondent) a family of daughters named respectively Levise, Centina - Cinderella, and .............

I know Jane you most probably have seen these above before but i think of other peoples who may pass this way now or in the future, the greatest gift is the gift of giving, take care Jane

michael