Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher

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sound Sky

  It was on Ancestry,  i will contact you one day, thanks for the invite........ nice one

michael

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Sky
 
 This is what it says on Ancestry as in the way to understand your results, but i do not understand them at all, Ancestry says my d.n.a in parts are shared by others, i keep getting far matches to down the South and America, how can this be true, i know you can have an ancester and they will have thousands of ancesters but all mine are around the three cousin broken mark, is that about the middle of the 1800s, am i looking at it wrong, i used to write to a Stanley yeares back in America and he told me it was the 1800s they went over so if i shared a common ancester then it would have to be way back, it says below we are of the broken three mark me and you, what does it meen, and why America and the South, what happened to the North, i dont evan know nothing of nothing, not well if i,v done it wrong, it dosent matter just put me right would you, this below is what it says on Ancestry

"Evaluating DNA Evidence
DNA evidence may support or contradict other forms of evidence, and may point to different sources of evidence. Other possible relationships between people should also be considered."

 
"When two people have a DNA match, it means they inherited DNA from one or more recent common ancestors."


This is our match, well i only give the one Ancestry think is the most likley, then read all the rest they send me, it looks mostley the same as yours, whats going on, have you a clue for i havent

Sky you and me below estimated by Ancestry after the test, what it meens i havent a clue, but at least we match, thats a good thing for sure

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then Ancestry sent me this information saying i share d.n.a in the broken three mark with lots of people from the Gipsy community, but how, how can this be true, i put on some of the people on for you to read who are related to the person who i match with to prove they are of the Gipsies, but how do i come in to it, just tell me if i am doing it wrong i do not feel shame, i am strong with the shame, but try and think why they match like you match to me but mostley they are from the South or America


match named (beaney) ROMNEY MARSH Kent

......relatives of match.......Mark Ripley 1738 Samuel Beaney 1809 Henry Beney 1694 Emmaneul Hilton 1802 Philadephia Jones 1812  Mary Miley 1763 Menty Scamp /Mathews 1884 Oliver Scamp…………………

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match named (Gardiner)………….relatives of match......Leonard Gardiner 1867 Thomas Gardiner 1820 Mary Borman 1668 Elizabeth Boswell 1875 Sampson Scamp 1774 Mary Ann Maden 1856 Abel Lee 1751  ………………………………..

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Clarke ..........female…………..relatives of match......Margery Bailie 1578 Flora Ripley/Scamp 1890 John Scamp1693 Henry Woodward 1606 Joyce Wootton 1604 Anthony Lee 1679 Elsabesth Lee 1595 Orsin Lee 1728 Abel Lee 1759……………………

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match named (Henderson) ........female……………relatives of match.........Rose Kemp (Scamp) Ann Lock 1735 Elisabeth Smith 1694 Thomas Wells 1650 Abel Lee1751 Thomas Woodward 1682……………..

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No name  ........male…………. relatives of match.........Levi Bowell 1881 Eliza Dighton 1897

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No name New Zealand ...........male…………relatives of match.....Flora Scamp Gilderoy Scamp William Addley……………….

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  match named (Scamp) .........female  Kent

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match named (Camp) .............male………….relatives of match.........Leonard Small  Viola Stanley William Fletcher Camp

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match named(Smith) ..........female.. relatives of match....Edward Charlotte Drewcilla Smith Phoebe Smith1885

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No name America……………….relatives of match Worden Bailey Wharton

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match named (Cooper) .......male America……….relatives of match Cooper Boswell

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match named (Lee) .....female wales….. relatives of match hearnes prices lee

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match named (Cooper) Canada………

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Kent .....male…………..relative of match....Matilda Ayers 1876 Henry Ayres John Carey 1770 Cornelius Loveridge 1827 Olive James 1811 William Bacon 1743……………………….
 
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match named (Young) male……….. relatives of match....Ambrose Smith 1760 Susan Shuri Shurensi Chilcock 1823 Noah Young 1844 Ruth Boss 1788 Richard W Crowther 1828 and many more…….

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 Match named (Prestwich)....... female I think maybe they are American…relatives of match Thomas Boswell 1791 William Wood 1748 Martha Elizabeth Wilson 1762 Violetta virtue Smith 1749 Dambritty Temerance Lovell 1797 Major Lovell 1748 direct ancestor of Prestwich Moses DraperJulia Fuller 1818 Elizabeth “Betsy” Cliford (Price) Gypbert Bruggenbosch 1773 Eli Shields Lee 1868 Eunice Esther “Una” Loveridge 1821Robert Prestwich 1658 Alselm Colen 1823……………..

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match named (Gray)………… female…….relatives of match.....unbelievable to me Nelly Smith married  Ambrose Bacon who had a child Isaiah Bacon who married Voilet Smith the daughter of Nipolian Gray and Sarah Sally Smith..this must be the Bacons I was writing about on this thread from Selston 1800s

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match named (Holmes)……female

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match named (Harrison-Small)....... female  America.. ………Small Gipsy King

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match named (Boswell)...... female America……..relatives of match.....Phyllis Blewitt 1760 Uriah Wharton 1817 Edward Boswell 1776 Alcana Smith 1833 Harry (Boots) Cooper1898 Fontella Lee 1902 Mary Unsworth 1828 Elizabeth Arnold 1742 Delarany Lovell 1847 Molyneux ( Nixy ) Lovell 1813 ……………….
 
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match named (Young)........  female America…relatives of match...Edward Lock Wales 1850 married Fanny Wilshire Ebon Lock in America
 
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   match .......female related to (Lock)….relatives of match...Ebenezer (Eban Edward) Lock from America……….Zacharia 1827 Wales

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match ..............Male America related to (Lock) …relatives of match....Eban Lloyd Lock 1894

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match named (Pearce) .........male……America……relatives of match.......issac Heron 1836 Edward Boswell 1776 Tyso Boswell 1778  Henry Cooper 1760 Morella Draper 1791 Magnolia Palmer 1875 Sophia Chilcott 1780 and many more Stanley Jefereys Wells  Smith Lee  Harrison Granite Ayres  Hearn Hearne……….

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match named (Boswell).......... female America… relatives of match....Phillis Lee 1778 Siberina Sabrina Sybarina Hearne Herren1761Robert Boswell 1735 Edward Boswell (Gypsy leader) 1680 John, black Jack, Boswell 1730 John Bromwick ( Black Jack)Boswell 1699 Henry Cooper 1741John Wharton 1770 and many many more Thomas Hearne Herren Harmer 1740and more Louisa Young 1853 Mary Smith 1775…..Ruth Small 1787 and many more……….

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match named (Young)........... America………relatives of match......William H Young Daisy Williams

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match named (Abelel) (Lucas) (Stanley)

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match (Stanley tree)........... female America

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No name…….America....relatives of match..... Missouri Wharton Boswell 1854 Elias (Glias) Boswell 1843

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match to a (Stanley tree)............ female America………. relatives of match...Edward (Ned) Boswell 1776 Mary Ann Boswell 1757Robert Boswell 1735 Samual Cooper 1709Robert Palmer 1743 James Wells 1797 John Stanley 1744 and many more…..

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match named (Bunce)........ female……..  relatives of match....John Jones 1803 Alma Boswell 1855 Tyso Boswell 1788 Sarha Draper 1822

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Match no name………. related to match…….George Smith 1859 Jane Smith 1727 Hope Sheriff 1855 Ephriam Clayton/Booth 1841Thomas Boyling 1710 Phylis Blewitt 1760 George Ball 1759 Margraretta Draper 1637 Lydia WildGoose 1827 Ann Fisher 1704 George Boyling 1794 Cornelius/Parcenas Blewitt …plus many more

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 match named (Bunce)........... male........relatives of match..... Daniel Bunce 1879 Robert Bunce 1677 Sophia Heron 1761 John Trent 1765 Alma Boswell 1855

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Match named (Smith) female…….related to match….Abraham Smith 1680 Absalom Smith 1768 LeviSmith 1810 Divers Smith 1856 Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790……………..

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match named (Smith).......... female……….relatives of match.... Price Smith Wilson Burnside Butler Boswell Elliott leach Morris Gray

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Match name (Gramp) Shared Communities with me the Midlands
they have a bit of that Northern & Western India
Iran/Persia d.n.a also connects to Wharton and Allan so maybe of the Gipsies as Allans and Whartons have that d.n.a like them

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match named (Lee)........... female America…………relative of match......Sarah Heron Boss 1805 Cuthbert Boswell1698 William Heron 1691Mary Sarah Young 1773 Shuransa aka Susan or Susanna Smith 1801 Rebbeca Miller John Bud (Jack) Gray 1845 and many more……….

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Match named (Biggerstaff) female……related to match
Eliza Boss 1786 Anselo Boswell 1786 Fransic Heaps 1790 Edward Sheriff 1779 Emily Smith 1899 Emma Holmes 1863 Phylis Holland 1876 ………..

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 Match named (Savage) male ….related to match Sarah Boswell 1780 Delilah Heaps 1853Matilda Holland 1844 Alfred Sheriff 1894 Woodfine Smith 1765 Sarah Taylor 1729 Harry Savage 1916………

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match named (Prestwich)…male …America……related to match Unity Mary Boswell 1842 Ann Baxendale 1734 Benoni Campbell 1800 Charles Anslo Colan 1868 Julie Ann Draper 1859 Eli Shields Lee 1868 Sarah Smith 1775 Michael Whitmore 1756 Pardon Arnold Wood 1812 Thomas Wilde 1715 Martha Helen Wolfe 1838 Mary Simister 1669 Robert Prestwich 1658

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 Match  female……..related to match….Mary Ann Allen 1844 Lydia Jones 1805 Maria Knight 1845 Latitia Smith 1760 Edward Willshaw 1760 Joseph Wilshaw 1844 Joseph Wilsher 1865 Emanuel Woodward 1846 Roland Wilsher

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No name but stated as being managed by a person named Hearne  ………Pricscilla Webb William Brazil William Clarke

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 Match named (Nowel)……..Related to match……….Drummoned Ireland 1789 Drummoned Durham 1822 Hartley male Scotland Falkirk 1914. my ggrandmother stated as being an Hartley from Scotland on the the female side, i do not know why i match to the Nowel as in share a little d.n.a with them, as i see it they get their d.n.a from their ancestors, so if my ancestors share d.n.a with their ancestors then it may show up on the match i have with them... well i think that's how it all works, so it dosent meen i am a Nowel just because i match in a small way to them, same as i am not a Boswell just because i match in a small way to a Boswell, it does not evan meen i can link with the Hartley related to the match, d.n.a just shows you the bigger picture
 
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 Match named (Owen) female..sheffield…related to match's  Joseph Owen 1770 Joseph Allen 1718 Lydia Jones 1812 James Knight 1816 Letitia Smith1760 Catherine Thorpe 1771 William Varey 1770 Joseph Wilshire 1864 William Willshaw 1811 Thomas Woodward 1810 Mary Williams 1815 Edward Wiltshire 1760
 
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look Sky i match to these Owens from Sheffield who are matched to yours and mine... me and you match so that proves we match in the bigger picture...we are lucky that way for on Ancestry it says sometimes evan though you are related through d.n.a relatives may not share the data sometimes evan though they are related...its a learning curve this ancestry genealogy but we match in the data so that will always prove the link, i am very proud of all our Ancestor's well done in your research i am proud of you to for your fine efforts and kind help.

michael

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match named (Bunce)........ female……..  relatives of match....John Jones 1803 Alma Boswell 1855 Tyso Boswell 1788 Sarha Draper 1822

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Match no name………. related to match…….George Smith 1859 Jane Smith 1727 Hope Sheriff 1855 Ephriam Clayton/Booth 1841 Thomas Boyling 1710 Phylis Blewitt 1760 George Ball 1759 Margraretta Draper 1637 Lydia WildGoose 1827 Ann Fisher 1704 George Boyling 1794 Cornelius/Parcenas Blewitt …plus many more

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 match named (Bunce)........... male........relatives of match..... Daniel Bunce 1879 Robert Bunce 1677 Sophia Heron 1761 John Trent 1765 Alma Boswell 1855

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Match named (Smith) female…….related to match….Abraham Smith 1680 Absalom Smith 1768 LeviSmith 1810 Divers Smith 1856 Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790……………..

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match named (Smith).......... female……….relatives of match.... Price Smith Wilson Burnside Butler Boswell Elliott leach Morris Gray

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Match name (Gramp) Shared Communities with me the Midlands
they have a bit of that Northern & Western India
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match named (Lee)........... female America…………relative of match......Sarah Heron Boss 1805 Cuthbert Boswell1698 William Heron 1691Mary Sarah Young 1773 Shuransa aka Susan or Susanna Smith 1801 Rebbeca Miller John Bud (Jack) Gray 1845 and many more……….

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Eliza Boss 1786 Anselo Boswell 1786 Fransic Heaps 1790 Edward Sheriff 1779 Emily Smith 1899 Emma Holmes 1863 Phylis Holland 1876 ………..

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 Match named (Savage) male ….related to match Sarah Boswell 1780 Delilah Heaps 1853 Matilda Holland 1844 Alfred Sheriff 1894 Woodfine Smith 1765 Sarah Taylor 1729 Harry Savage 1916………

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match named (Prestwich)…male …America……related to match Unity Mary Boswell 1842 Ann Baxendale 1734 Benoni Campbell 1800 Charles Anslo Colan 1868 Julie Ann Draper 1859 Eli Shields Lee 1868 Sarah Smith 1775 Michael Whitmore 1756 Pardon Arnold Wood 1812 Thomas Wilde 1715 Martha Helen Wolfe 1838 Mary Simister 1669 Robert Prestwich 1658

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 Match  female……..related to match….Mary Ann Allen 1844 Lydia Jones 1805 Maria Knight 1845 Latitia Smith 1760 Edward Willshaw 1760 Joseph Wilshaw 1844 Joseph Wilsher 1865 Emanuel Woodward 1846 Roland Wilsher

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 Match named (Nowel)……..Related to match……….Drummoned Ireland 1789 Drummoned Durham 1822 Hartley male Scotland Falkirk 1914. my ggrandmother stated as being an Hartley from Scotland on the the female side, i do not know why i match to the Nowel as in share a little d.n.a with them, as i see it they get their d.n.a from their ancestors, so if my ancestors share d.n.a with their ancestors then it may show up on the match i have with them... well i think that's how it all works, so it dosent meen i am a Nowel just because i match in a small way to them, same as i am not a Boswell just because i match in a small way to a Boswell, it does not evan meen i can link with the Hartley related to the match, d.n.a just shows you the bigger picture
 
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 Match named (Owen) female..sheffield…related to match's  Joseph Owen 1770 Joseph Allen 1718 Lydia Jones 1812 James Knight 1816 Letitia Smith1760 Catherine Thorpe 1771 William Varey 1770 Joseph Wilshire 1864 William Willshaw 1811 Thomas Woodward 1810 Mary Williams 1815 Edward Wiltshire 1760
 
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look Sky i match to these Owens from Sheffield who are matched to yours and mine... me and you match so that proves we match in the bigger picture...we are lucky that way for on Ancestry it says sometimes evan though you are related through d.n.a relatives may not share the data sometimes evan though they are related...its a learning curve this ancestry genealogy but we match in the data so that will always prove the link, i am very proud of all our Ancestor's well done in your research i am proud of you to for your fine efforts and kind help.

michael

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Hello Michael
I have read and found interesting many of your posts over the last few years.
I have just read through the Wilsher, Wilshire thread. 
Looking at your dna matches it appears that we have a link through a female Smith
related to Abraham 1680, Absalom Smith 1768 LeviSmith 1810 Divers Smith 1856 Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790.....
I have not done a dna. My Smiths are mainly Notts., Leics, and Derbys. My Grandmother, Beatrice was born in Whitwick, Leics in 1880; and is in the 1881 census at Bulwell Forest travelling with her Grandfather, Levi 1810-1883.
Please keep posting
All the best
David

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Hi David

Just to say helo and I do hope you are well and all your family keeping fine, I think the d.n.a is good, but I think most have it wrong, they think only if the supposed origin shows up, it really is simple but people I think have been seduced by truth, you have to read with my mind to understand that, it says on Ancestry things like ethnicity, but I do not understand what that meens, Ancestry say I am British or thereabouts, yet they took my money and for the price say I have the same d.n.a with many people from the Gipsies, we share, then I thought well this is true we all come from people descended from Britain evan though lots are from country's like America, most of them have a spoon full of the Indian d.n.a, but now I have a match from a Lady, I will not say her name but she is a Gipsy who descends from one of the European country's, she is not evan from Britain, well I share d.n.a with her, my results say i share with many who have a certain % of Indian d.n.a, but how can I share d.n.a with this Lady, this is her d.n.a breakdown in numbers

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe   1%
 
 Northern & Western India    34%
 
  Turkey & the Caucasus       32%
 
   Greece & the Balkans        15%
 
    Eastern Europe & Russia      8%
 
     Southern & Eastern India    8%
 
       Iran/Persia    2%
 


I do not understand the way people from the Gipsy community have wrote over the last years, I thought I did but now I am questioning the science in thought, some people think a spoonful is who you are as in being Indian, then they would denigh others for only having a spoonfull as in being Gipsy as in family connections through shared d.n.a, you may not understand my mind, in life you are all your Ancestor's, true science now tells us maybe only the last several generations, after that it as all gone in who you are, that makes sense to me for you would have seven heads and such if you was everyone, if you share to people alive now d.n.a then that's who you are, if some want to play the numbers game lets go back, way back when we all meet up in Africa, yes I think the truth is very simple yet science can with truth cloud the mind of some. 

Good look David may you never want my son, (that's what my mam used to say)

michael

  And I know the Lady above who shares d.n.a with me is of the Gipsies for she shows her matches on her profile and they are Boswells Wharton's Allans from America and such and I also share a spoonful with all of them, we all share, the American matches people could say this or that, but the match from the Lady with all that Gipsy d.n.a, well how do i share d.n.a with her, I am the scrag end, no doubt in that, a bit i would say that fell of the spoon and in the shadows it lays, i suppose a kind of background noise.

 Thank you for sharing your knowledge i will write back another time about the Smiths, you said your Grandmother, Beatrice was born in Whitwick, Leics in 1880; and is in the 1881 census at Bulwell Forest travelling with her Grandfather, Levi, they would be great people you are a proud man for them.

  If you do have the test remember sometimes evan though you are of certain peoples the results do not show what say your Cousin may be told as results, well these statements i read on the information that may be found, and i myself must be related to lots of Irish people on my dads side for i have many cousins it says of Irish Ancestry, i have now read you can retest just on your Mothers side and that is what i will do for i have hundreds of Cousins distant and closer and i know that my dad was a farmer from Irelands wild west lands called Conaught as in the old Kingdoms of Ireland so it makes seance to zero in on my Mothers side to find the truths of, well i don't know what really, i do not know if i am looking, some sort of journey i would say, when i get there i suppose i will know, its just good to look though and if by looking i may help others then a good journey it would have been, who needs a destination when the company is good.

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Hello Michael
I have read and found interesting many of your posts over the last few years.
I have just read through the Wilsher, Wilshire thread. 
Looking at your dna matches it appears that we have a link through a female Smith
related to Abraham 1680, Absalom Smith 1768 LeviSmith 1810 Divers Smith 1856 Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790.....
I have not done a dna. My Smiths are mainly Notts., Leics, and Derbys. My Grandmother, Beatrice was born in Whitwick, Leics in 1880; and is in the 1881 census at Bulwell Forest travelling with her Grandfather, Levi 1810-1883.
Please keep posting
All the best
David

Hi David

 Are you related to these Smiths below, you see i was talking on here to Kiziah and Sky regarding family matters and Kizzy told me lots of truths, you see the Smiths in Nottingham come from George Smith who comes from the Smiths below, George had a son George whos long gone now and we would be known as cousins to them Smiths but i do not know why, then the d.n.a is showing me links to many Smiths like you found one, i have more but first will you tell if these Smiths below are related to you for they link with Gipsy George who was my Mothers Cousin, i am trying to weave oral tradition with d.n.a results plus the hard work that Sky and Kizzy have done, i hope you may write back soon with some help

michael

this below is what Kiziah told me, she said these are Georges family, Gipsy George was said to be a Cousin to my Mother but i dont know how, do you see in 1871 they were campt in Snenton, thats where i was born i have found all about the old caming ground and will put that on soon

GEORGE OXBY SMITH "Gypsy Smith" 1868-1941.
 He also used the alias Clayton.
George Oxby Smith was about in 1868 Stanton, Nr Bingham, Nottinghamshire, he was the son of John (Johnny) Smith bn 1833 Tur Langton, Leicestershire s/o Samuel Smith 1791-1864 and Reservoy (Reservoir) Smith 1796-1860, I think they were Uncle and Niece... George’s mother was Maria Smith bn Scalford, Leicestershire, d/o Levi Smith bn 1810 and Sophia Smith born 1811-
George's Father Johnny also had another partner at the same time (I believe the "wives" were also sisters) both wives were his 1st cousins.

1871 - He is encamped with his father, his father’s 2 "wives" and all their children in Snenton, Notts.

1881 - He is again encamped with his father, his father’s 2 "wives" and children in Pickwell, Leicestershire.

1891 - I can't find him, but by this time he has formed a partnership with Ellen Clayton bn about 1873 (not been able to find anything on her before being with George Smith – she possibly died 1912 Nottingham, but not sure at all.

1901 – I cannot find him.

1911 - He is now in Nottingham at 12 Nelson Square, Nelson St, Nottingham - A Hawker of drapery goods.  He's with Ellen Clayton, they say on the census Married 20yrs 13 children born alive, 8 living, 5 had died.  Children with them on this census are:
Angelina 15
Mente 14
Alfred 12
Esperella (Esmeralda) 7
John 4
Frank 2
All the children are said to be born in Leicester.  I have the birth cert for Esmeralda as mentioned previously in this thread - she was born 25 Feb 1904 in a Van on Robert Street, Leicester.

Some of the children used the surname Clayton-Smith at times.

On 27 Jul 1912 George Smith married in Nottingham Registry Office Agnes White bn 5 Nov 1893 - 1982.  He gives his age as 35 (he was really 44), gives his occupation as Horse Dealer and her age as 24 (she's really 19) - she was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1936 as being of stout build, with black hair and a sallow complexion. George's Fathers occupation is given a Clothes Dealer, and Agnes's father is Robert White (deceased) Scissor Grinder. Witnesses are A Bacon and E Smith.

1939 Register George and Agnes are living 4 Keswick Street, Snienton, Nottingham with Agnes and some of their children.  Some of George’s other children are living in nearby houses.

Panished has previously helped with Newspaper Articles mentioning and about George Smith which has been really useful…  Thanks.

I will also upload notes I have on George’s Full Siblings and then another upload of his ½ siblings…