...........anyway read this next about Sneinton from some of Kizzys research over the years, look where it says (Land Society's field caravan) make sure you read the article from Ellen Rosenman that I put on next about enclosure-acts-and-the-commons, make sure you understand fully about the meaning of (Land Society's field) it is first very important to read what Ellen Rosenman has to say, if you can help in any way you should write back with your research and knowledge correct me many times that would be the right thing todo, I will ask of you only one thing though, you may have to ask Kizzy, so this is what i ask of you. when George Smith died in 1941 what was on his death certificate.
Right this is about the Land Society field system, this knowledge as helped me understand what is going on around Nottingham right up to the times of my youth, good luck pal
Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 14 September 19 17:04 BST (UK) »
GEORGE OXBY SMITH "Gypsy Smith" 1868-1941.
He also used the alias Clayton.
George Oxby Smith was about in 1868 Stanton, Nr Bingham, Nottinghamshire, he was the son of John (Johnny) Smith bn 1833 Tur Langton, Leicestershire s/o Samuel Smith 1791-1864 and Reservoy (Reservoir) Smith 1796-1860, I think they were Uncle and Niece... George’s mother was Maria Smith bn Scalford, Leicestershire, d/o Levi Smith bn 1810 and Sophia Smith born 1811-
George's Father Johnny also had another partner at the same time (I believe the "wives" were also sisters) both wives were his 1st cousins.
1871 - He is encamped with his father, his father’s 2 "wives" and all their children in Snenton, Notts.
Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 15 April 12 16:33 BST (UK) »
Hi - Back again,
This is all I know about the Booth gypsy connection...
1871 census
Radford, Sneinton, Land Society's field caravan, nottinghamshire
In first van
John Smith bn 1834 - his 2 co wives and all their children
next Van
Everitt Plumb bn 1833 Head 38 bn Nottinghamshire
Keziah Booth bn 1839 Boarder 32 Bn Leicestershire
James Plumb bn 1866 Son 5 Bn "
Henry Plumb bn 1868 son 3 bn "
Keziah Plumb bn 1871 daug 0 bn "
Everett Plumb bn 1864 son 7 bn Notts
Amelia Plumb bn 1860 daug 11 bn Leic
Everett Plumbs bn 1833 - his parents were
Nathan Plumb bn 1797 - 1885 Lambley and
Ann Cook bn 1806 - 1870 Gunthorpe Notts
One of their other daughters and Everett's sister was a Violetta Plumb bn 1833
who married in 1852 2Q Nottingham a William Caunt. Someone has a lot of their family history on line. They ended up living in Grantham.
Not sure if this helps you...
What I have learnt by reading books is that when looking for Gypsy relatives you have to forget how the non-gypsy folk use their names in a set way. Travelling folk interchange the surname - use mothers maiden name, or an alias - and change their first name from time to time as well - also they didn't always marry in the way we would call marry - so there is no legal trace - it's wonderful!!! But most often there is a christening somewhere - you just have to find it.
I really need to make the connection with the Smiths and Keziah Booth...
Kazi
Extract from article below
Rosenman, Ellen. “On Enclosure Acts and the Commons.” Britain, Representation and Nineteenth-Century History.
"The Northern Star, the chief newspaper of Chartism, mourned the extinction of the “hardy sons of the earth” who typified Englishness (“THE LAND!”). Radical politics consistently looked to an imputed past as the model for the future. This fealty to a single version of England, understood as originating in its ancient Anglo-Saxon origin, is one of the defining features of working-class politics.[13] National identity itself was at risk; with the betrayal of a foundational culture, the land itself is dying:
No more thy glassy brook reflects the day,
But choked with sedges, works its weedy way . . .
Sunk are thy bowers, in shapeless ruin all,
(Deserted Village ll. 41-43, 47)
Given this context, it is not surprising that populist politics turned to a variety of land schemes in an attempt to restore pre-enclosure communities. In the late 1840s and 1850s, freehold land societies attempted to recreate these communities on a micro-scale."
http://www.branchcollective.org/?ps_articles=ellen-rosenman-on-enclosure-acts-and-the-commonsEllen Rosenman, “On Enclosure Acts and the Commons ...