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John Preston and Catherine Hart
« on: Tuesday 31 July 18 21:12 BST (UK) »
Hi, I am trying to trace any information regarding the above.  John was born in 1822 in Dromore Parish, and Catherine was born in 1830. They had at least 1 son called Michael born in 1846.  Michael moved to Scotland marrying a Mary Flannigan in Bellshill in 1871.  Any info would be great.
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Preston Flannigan Cunningham Craigneuk, Motherwell
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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 July 18 22:37 BST (UK) »
The 1871 census seems to have Michael as born in Sligo, which does have a Dromore. However, you have posted your query in Down, which also has a Dromore.

Which records do you have on his father, John, that mentions Dromore Parish specifically? Did John and Catherine also move to Scotland? If not, which records do you have that indicate their birth years? What occupation for John appears on Michael's marriage and death certificates?

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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 August 18 17:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Magsc
how do you know these dates?  EG  family bible?
My computer and familysearch.org are not connecting have you exhausted them.currently.

placenames 3 possible follow-ups in Co Sligo  https://www.logainm.ie/en/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4MS5pIvM3AIVh7_tCh02rgjfEAAYASAAEgLo2vD_BwE 
Dromore West in Kilmacshalgan civil parish
Doomore townland in Achonry civil parish
Doomore townland in Kilmorgan civil parish

1857 Griffiths Valuation has a
Preston   Martin    Doomore   Achonry   Sligo has 8 acres has map ref 8 house valued at 5 shillings pa

I gradually lost interest  Dromore Co DOWN catching my interest
I spent a couple of hours finding Preston and Harts in Dromore Co DOWN
but not finding that necessary connection,  although establishing an early date recording a death
uhf = Ulster Historical Foundation ie https://www.ancestryireland.com you buy credits etc for details the index is free
Preston   George   1671   Blaris Lisburn CI   Down
FEELING UNEASY           I just thought I would check youmagsc  out again using census for uk 1871 believing Michael was in Bellshill Scotland in 1871, the only Michael I could find relevant was in Bothwell  Glasgow. in the census was Michael  Preston b 1846  SLIGO IRELAND m to Mary nee XXXXX b 1852 ireland  his occupation railway signalman.  Bellshill is the nearby railway station .  A google map showed both places 2 miles apart in Glasgow
with newborn child Teresa
SO we are back firmly in SLIGO . I will eventually RECOVER
if i think i can help further i will try later
moderator please transport to Sligo, theres work to be done,  any more info add after you are transported

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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 August 18 21:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much.  It could be Sligo.  To be honest I cant remember where I got the original information.  Think it may have been on Family Search, which I know is not always accurate.
MaAdams, Preston Ireland,
Preston Flannigan Cunningham Craigneuk, Motherwell
Murphy Hutchinston Glasgow
Salmon Paisley
Maher Tipperary, Ireland . Maryhill Glasgow.


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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 August 18 16:19 BST (UK) »
another clue or red herring arises
Catherine Harte
Ireland Census Search Forms, 1841 and 1851
Name   Catherine Harte
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1841
Parish    Achonry
Barony   Leyny
County   Sligo
Event Place   Achonry, Sligo, Ireland
Relationship to Head of Household   Mother
 [ it might only be the index, the original response may no longer
exist.    Meaning  At least someone else  later is searching for a reason eg claiming a pension old age or possibly from the army. have you any military pensioned persons in your family?

Citing this index above
"Ireland Census Search Forms, 1841 and 1851," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9D-7LJ3 : 15 March 2018), Catherine Harte, Achonry, Sligo, Ireland; from database by FindMyPast and images digitized by FamilySearch; citing 1841 census, townland, household ID 54969, The National Archives of Ireland, Dublin; FHL microfilm 7,246,700.
 to get the two names in same parish is a good clue normally.

I gave you abbreviated information from the 1871 census for Scotland with your reaction it could be .  Could  doesn’t work with me
I checked the next census 1881.  This also is from findmypast etc
you must join FIND my past to download all the detail

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Park Street, Motherwell Dalziel parish, Lanarkshire Scotland
Park Street is about 3miles SE of Bellshill
Michael Preston b 1846 Ireland
Mary Flannigan b 1849 Ireland
children
Theresa Preston b 1871 Bellshill
Michael Preston b 1873 Bellshill   
P......Preston b 1877 Motherwell
J...... Preston b 1881 Motherwell
this census must be as good a reference as you will ever find
you should  join FIND my past to download all the detail or see if it is free on family search

I think Theresa turns up in park st in 1891 described as neice to either Peter Hannigan or his wife Martha
 I think Michael b1873 bellshill turns up  in 1901 census in New Stevenston Road
Bothwell Holytown
 I could not find further census for P....... or J......Preston 

I am out of my depth, so  back to you but do ask the moderator to switch your enquiry to the Sligo Board

which reminds I never checked whats already known by Rootschatter search engine. nothing relevant

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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 August 18 11:07 BST (UK) »
Hi I have the census information for Scotland with John Prestons son Michael and his family.  Its the Irish side I am unable to trace.  Is Ancestry any use for the Irsih side.  Only asking because a lot of these site are no use for Scotland.
MaAdams, Preston Ireland,
Preston Flannigan Cunningham Craigneuk, Motherwell
Murphy Hutchinston Glasgow
Salmon Paisley
Maher Tipperary, Ireland . Maryhill Glasgow.

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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 August 18 11:17 BST (UK) »
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another clue or red herring arises
Catherine Harte
Ireland Census Search Forms, 1841 and 1851
Name   Catherine Harte
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1841
Parish    Achonry
Barony   Leyny
County   Sligo
Event Place   Achonry, Sligo, Ireland
Relationship to Head of Household   Mother
 [ it might only be the index, the original response may no longer
exist.    Meaning  At least someone else  later is searching for a reason eg claiming a pension old age or possibly from the army. have you any military pensioned persons in your family?

Most likely to be this Old Age Pension claim extract from 1851 census. This Catherine Harte married John Feely and their daughter Maria (Feely) Brennan applied for pension in 1921 (Maria was claiming to be aged 70 or older).
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246700/007246700_00140.pdf
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Re: John Preston and Catherine Hart
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 August 18 11:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you but dont think this one is mine .....
MaAdams, Preston Ireland,
Preston Flannigan Cunningham Craigneuk, Motherwell
Murphy Hutchinston Glasgow
Salmon Paisley
Maher Tipperary, Ireland . Maryhill Glasgow.