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Catherine Ryan
« on: Thursday 02 August 18 19:19 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone I posted as a newbie and received amazing help and from this found a link to Ireland 😁 buzzing .
William Yates married Catharine mcdonnell and her mother said she was from County Kilkenny
She married twice in england to
William mc donnell and later to Bryan Barlow .

From the wedding certicate I gleaned her father was Daniel Ryan
It was  suggested I move this part of my initial search to here as it's a more specialised search
Initial search with information that may help
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796820.0
New to all this so apologies in advance ,if haven't posted correctly.

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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 August 18 20:24 BST (UK) »
Relevant posts about Catherine Ryan/McDonald/Barlow on the other thread are:
Page 3, reply #18. 1881 census Catherine Barlow, age 59, widow, hawker, born Kilkenny, Ireland in household of her son-in-law, William Yates (40), pork butcher.

Page 3, reply #22. Census 1861 & 1871 Catherine Barlow. Birthplace Ireland on both.

Page 6, replies 51 & 53 and page 9, reply 78. Marriage information.


Edit. Catherine & William McDonnell's daughter was also Catherine. She married William Yates.
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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 August 18 22:15 BST (UK) »
Age of Catherine Ryan/McDonnell/Barlow on official records:
1840 marriage - minor. ( A minor was a person under 21. Minimum age of marriage for a girl was 12.)
1841 census - age 20.  (1841 Census enumerators were instructed to round down ages of adults and anyone over 15 to nearest multiple of 5. Not all did. A person whose age in 1841 census enumerator's book was 20 may have been aged 20-24. Catherine's husband, William also had his age recorded as 20. William stated his age as 21 or over at his marriage the previous year. Census was in July 1841.)
1852 2nd marriage - age 39. Her spouse, Bryan Barlow also stated his age as 39.
1861 census  -  age 40
1871 census  -  age 47
1881 census -  age 59

Each census after 1841 was taken in March or April.

Are you sure of ages on marriage certificate for Catherine's marriage to Bryan Barlow? If she was a minor at her 1st marriage she would more likely to have been in her early 30s at 2nd marriage.
She may not have known her exact age.
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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 August 18 23:29 BST (UK) »
Here are the details for the marriage




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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 August 18 23:56 BST (UK) »
Definitely says both 39. Yet Bryan and Catherine admitted to only 40 on 1861 census.  ???

Who witnessed that wedding? Could they have been relatives?
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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 August 18 00:05 BST (UK) »
Definitely says both 39. Yet Bryan and Catherine admitted to only 40 on 1861 census.  ???

Who witnessed that wedding? Could they have been relatives?



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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 August 18 02:41 BST (UK) »
Witnesses. Ann Ca_ _ _ (Caier?);  Patrick Traynor.
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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 August 18 08:13 BST (UK) »
Ann Cain?
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Re: Catherine Ryan
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 August 18 17:52 BST (UK) »
Ann Cain?

Quite possibly. Which as she couldn't write, may have been Kane or Keane in other written records.
I wasn't sure if the last letter was r. I thought the name might have been something like Caher/Cahir.
The witnesses might have been just friends, neighbours or workmates.

I still think their ages were wrong.
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