Catherine Ryan

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Griffith's Valuation is on Ask about Ireland website. www.askaboutireland.ie

[Maiden Stone]

Graiguenamanagh is a town or village near the border with County Carlow. It's the site of an abbey. The other townland, Inchacarran consists of 118 acres. Irish acres are bigger than English acres.

Tithe Applotments (c1827) show a Daniel Ryan in Graiguenamanagh parish. There were 3 other Daniel Ryan entries in 2 other parishes. No Valentine Ryan listed for Kilkenny.

Tithe Applotments recorded only people who held property which was worth enough for them to be assessed for tithes. A tithe was a local tax, formerly paid in kind (e.g. grain), later converted to monetary value. Most Irish people didn't hold enough property of sufficient value to pay tithes. So names in Tithe Applotment books are only a small proportion of the population.

[Maiden Stone]

The Valentine Ryan baptised 1805 in parish of Owning & Templeorum, Diocese of Ossary had parents John & Margaret. Abode was Loughreagh.  (National Library of Ireland Catholic parish registers collection) His was the only Valentine Ryan baptism I found 5 years either side of 1811, y.o.b. of the Manchester Valentine.

There were 30+ baptisms of Catherine Ryan in Co. Kilkenny 5 years either side of 1820. It could be any or none of them.
If I've identified the correct R.C. parish for Graiguenamanagh then baptism registers date from 1818. Unfortunately earliest volume on NLI site begins 1838. Marriages register is from 1818. R.C. parishes are not always same as civil parishes. R.C. parishes often have several names.

I know a bit more about Kilkenny geography than I did yesterday but still not much. Depending on where in the county the Ryan family lived, they may have used a church in a neighbouring county.

[BumbleB]

Do you have Bryan on 1851 census in order to see what age he was then? He was apparently 40 on 1861 census.

There is a Bryan Barlow, Brazier, aged 20, born Ireland, lodging in Liverpool.  HO107/2178 folio 296, page 81.

[heywood]

1851 2230 pg 38 - damaged

David Ryan 63 yrs
Catherine Ryan 60 yrs
James Ryan 22 yrs

Bennett Street - address has been overwritten and is probably ‘under’

1871 4047/104/9

Catherine and Valentine are at 68 Bennett Street and James and family are living in the Cellar.

Do you think David was Daniel?
Valentine Ryan, now that's a name I like. Romantic parents, or named for someone?
A Valentine Ryan of right age was in Yorkshire at 1851 census.
So far nobody is divulging a specific birthplace.

Yes I do - Same family and same address.
In 1871 Catherine Barlow and son William are at 66 Bennett Street also - and 1861

I can’t find a birth for William Barlow 

[heywood]

1841 and 1851  show 2 Valentine Ryans born Ireland. One is 1806 and one in 1811 (the one in Manchester).

Daniel Ryan is 50 yrs in 1841
David Ryan is 63 yrs in 1851

There is a death in Manchester 1858 for a Daniel Ryan 64 yrs -district is St George which matches census. Perhaps it is the same one and perhaps, Catherine’s father.

[heywood]

1851 2230 pg 38 - damaged

David Ryan 63 yrs
Catherine Ryan 60 yrs
James Ryan 22 yrs

Bennett Street - address has been overwritten and is probably ‘under’

1871 4047/104/9

Catherine and Valentine are at 68 Bennett Street and James and family are living in the Cellar.

Do you think David was Daniel?
Valentine Ryan, now that's a name I like. Romantic parents, or named for someone?
A Valentine Ryan of right age was in Yorkshire at 1851 census.
So far nobody is divulging a specific birthplace.

1861 2956/53/7

68 Bennett Street

Catherine Bryan 68 yrs b Ireland
Valentine 44 yrs

Plus son James and family

[BumbleB]

1871 James, Mary Ann and family are resident in the "Cellar" of 68 Bennett Street, with Catherine and Valentine living above them.

However, I think that bluemoonbaz already has this information. 

[Bluemoonbaz]

Yes received these english census records
But large to load files , but yes that appears to be correct , sorry for not keeping up its all very new to me and trying to process all this unbelievably detailed help..thanks everyone it's very much appreciated.
I guess the Valentine name helps in locating the family? as it unusually