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James McLaren born abt 1808
« on: Monday 06 August 18 14:58 BST (UK) »
I’m trying to find the death of James Mclaren born about 1808 but have had no luck at all finding it. I’ve tried all variations I can think of.

In 1883 there is a prison record for him for drunkenness and address then is Spring Garden Alley.

Can anyone find anything for him after this time.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
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Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 August 18 16:56 BST (UK) »
Can't find him either.... maybe he is still sobering up??   ;D
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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 August 18 20:51 BST (UK) »
Glasnevin shows a burial of a James McLaren age 68 ? in 1892
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/

perhaps the informant did not know his true age ?

you can purchase a readout of those buried there,his death does not appear to be registered on civil index

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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 August 18 05:06 BST (UK) »
Glasnevin shows a burial of a James McLaren age 68 ? in 1892
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/

perhaps the informant did not know his true age ?

you can purchase a readout of those buried there,his death does not appear to be registered on civil index

I’m not seeing that at all. Keeps giving me zero matches

Edit: found it. I think this one is unlikely to be him. As age is out and also says he is married. He was definitely widowed by then. I know it’s often incorrect, but too many discrepancies I think.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent


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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 February 20 02:53 GMT (UK) »
It appears James was born in Belfast and was a shoemaker.

Still no luck locating a death for him or tracing his line further back. I’m assuming no records for Belfast exist for the time he was born?

Thanks
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 February 20 12:59 GMT (UK) »
looks like his prison record is on find my past but I can not open second page

http://www.findmypast.co.uk

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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 February 20 21:21 GMT (UK) »
looks like his prison record is on find my past but I can not open second page

http://www.findmypast.co.uk

this is indeed his prison record, unfortunately it doesn't give any other information over what I already know.

It's frustrating not being able to trace his line back further, but I guess with no other records it pretty impossible.

Thanks for your help.

Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 June 23 21:03 BST (UK) »
I think the Glasnevin entries are taken directly from the Workhouse information when he was admitted in 1884.
The case for the 1884 North Dublin Workhouse entry, 1892 death and subsequent burial in Glasnevin being the Waterford James McLawrence, originally from Belfast, born appx 1808.
The 1884 Workhouse admittance entry is minimal and any detail is questionable, his age (born 1824) and marital status in particular. His Protestant religion and having no fixed residence are in our favour.
An earlier entry in 1879 also described our James, the shoe maker from Waterford as married even though his wife had died in 1876.
The page that contains the entry, the page before and the page after had an occupation assigned to every adult male. James is the single exception. For the 1884 entry 'none' is recorded. One of his other confirmed workhouse entries had 'none' also recorded. Anyhow the minimal effort to establish a trade, even a labourer, would indicate to me that they guessed at his age also. James as we know was a tramp and was probably treated as such by some administrators.
There are only a few James McLaren entries (including other surname variants) for the Dublin workhouses. These entries show that there was two elderly James McLarens active in the system. One was a weaver from Dublin and one was a shoemaker from Waterford. An entry is found for the weaver a few years after 1892 so this would rule him out. In any case a Dublin native is less likely to have no address than the tramp from Waterford. That just leaves our James.
I can see from the few confirmed workhouse entries that the age is inconsistent on the admittance and suggests its likely to be an estimate.

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Re: James McLaren born abt 1808
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 June 23 15:26 BST (UK) »
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