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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 August 18 12:37 BST (UK) »
That is good Suz it ties it all in nicely  ;D
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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 August 18 12:47 BST (UK) »
So if I have this right, George Cleverly married an Eliza Smith, spinster age 17, in 1892. They had four children and then she died in 1904.  In July 1904 he married an Eliza Smith, widow, and it is them who can be found on the 1911 census.

It didnít help that both Elizas were born in the same year.

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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 August 18 12:53 BST (UK) »
I am just wondering if Eliza Rutty Smith who married George Cleverley was the widow of George's first wife Eliza's brother - so Eliza Rutty may have married her sister in laws widower
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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 August 18 12:58 BST (UK) »
Look at this
1891
Manningford Bohune
Herbert A Smith Head widower 39 ag lab Enford
ELIZA daughter 15 Housekeeper Rushall
HERBERT A son 13 Ploughboy Rushall
Sarah E daughter 11
Isaac C son 8
John Osland? Lodger W 75 ag lab Manninford Bohune

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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #13 on: Monday 13 August 18 13:12 BST (UK) »
On the 1901 census with George and Eliza No 1 is an Isaac Smith age 18. He must be Elizaís brother and it ties in with Suzardís lat post.

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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #14 on: Monday 13 August 18 13:12 BST (UK) »
Marriage Parish Church Manningford Bohune
22 Oct 1898
Herbert Alfred Smith 21 Bachelor labourer father Herbert Alfred Smith occ labourer
Eliza Rutty 24? Spinster father Robert Rutty master of Devizes Lunatic Asylum
witness George Sawyer & Sarah Sawyer? difficult to read

I really think this is Eliza Smith -George Cleverley's first wife's brother
Correct age correct father

So Eliza Rutty /smith who became George Cleverley's wife would become  stepmother to her nieces and nephews

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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #15 on: Monday 13 August 18 13:24 BST (UK) »
I can't find any Cleverly /Rutty birth regs - so am assuming if the cleverly children are in your tree then the mother is Eliza Smith not Rutty

Opinions please

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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #16 on: Monday 13 August 18 14:02 BST (UK) »
I can't find any Cleverly /Rutty birth regs - so am assuming if the cleverly children are in your tree then the mother is Eliza Smith not Rutty

Opinions please

Suz

I agree - Eliza nee Rutty didnít have any children (and indeed says so  :) ).  Canít see any post-1911 either.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
« Reply #17 on: Monday 13 August 18 15:42 BST (UK) »
The mother of the four children must be Eliza Eddna (nee Smith), the first wife.  If you check the General Register Office online site, the births all show Smith as the motherís maiden name.