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James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« on: Wednesday 15 August 18 11:08 BST (UK) »
I have a problem i hope you could help me with. I traced my roots well up to ancestor James Berisford abt 1781. His baptism was on 28th Dec 1783 (Alton Stafford) and parents John and Hannah.

The only John and Hannah i find for that area was a john Berisford 1753 and his wife Hannah (Ratclif/Ritcliff)..

Now here is the puzzle... Hannah and john was deported to Australia on the prince of wales ship in 1787 they had many children (some sources says 6 some says 8) and but only 5 children with them (one source said the 5 children was born in Australia the first after deportation was Joseph born 1798)) so i believe... but no James on record anywhere.

Is this the right John and Hannah? or am i barking at the wrong tree even forest?   thanks for any tips or help in advance:-) BR Charles     

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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 11:21 BST (UK) »
Are you getting this information from online trees  :-\

Checking parish registers for St Peters, Alton there are a John & Hannah Berisford still baptising children there in the 1790's after this couple supposedly left England
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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 11:30 BST (UK) »
Hello Rosie99,  From searching in google leading to pages : wiki tree and wc rootsweb. I have find my past however the results don't come up with anything for john and Hannah apart from the Ritcliff one :-/

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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 11:50 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast has parish registers for the parish of St Peter's Alton for the period you are interested in.

'Your' James
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mii/

Some other children baptised in the same parish with parents John & Hannah, images are available for them all
John 1778
Hannah 1780
Sarah 1782
Elizabeth 1786
Joseph 1788
William 1790
Sarah 1791
Edward 1792
Mary 1795

Perhaps the John & Hannah that were deported are not this couple.  Can you please give link to where you found details of them being deported
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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 12:17 BST (UK) »
Hello and again thank you for your help, here are the links: https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wermore&id=I11494 is the official looking link and the wiki link is: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beresford-380

3of the names you gave seem to almost fit with the list of births you gave Joseph,Sarah and Mary. 

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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 12:45 BST (UK) »
I think that this is more likely to be the John who married Hannah Ratcliffe

John Berisford
Age   65 (born c1748)
Burial 04 Feb 1813
Alton, St Peter

and this Hannah
Hannah Beresford
Age   74  (Born c1758)
Burial 07 Sep 1832
Alton, St Peter

Online trees should always be treated as 'fiction' until you can prove otherwise. 

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I have just re- read the link you posted which states

The records show that John Beresford made a major contribution to the stores of Norfolk Island. The stores records show he was illiterate, signing with an X.

The John Berrisford that married Hannah Ratcliff in 1776 signed the marriage register  ;D
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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 12:59 BST (UK) »
Who did your James marry.  Where do you have him on census
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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 14:23 BST (UK) »
Its gets very confusing when trying to be conclusive pinning down Ancestors that far back!

Christenings for a JOHN Berrisford and variations;
8 April 1749 Alton, Staffordshire to WILLIAM/MARY
28 June 1752 Ellestone, Staffordshire to GEORGE/ELIZABETH, buried 10 Sept 1754   
16 December 1753 Ticknall, Derbyshire to JOHN/ANN
10 Nov 1754 Ellestone, Staffordshire to ?/JOAN

All above on Familysearch.Org + this;

JOHN Birresford
Great Britain, War Office Registers, 1772-1935
birth:1754, Uttoxeter, Stafford
military service:   1772   England, United Kingdom

Extra details;
Name   John Birresford
Event Type Military Service
Event Date   1772
Event Place England, United Kingdom
Age   18
Military Regiment Major Fitzroys Troop
Enlistment Place Coventry***
Birth Year (Estimated) 1754
Birthplace   Uttoxeter, Stafford

Trish :)
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Re: James beresford b.1781, also could be spelt Berisford, Staffordshire
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 14:33 BST (UK) »
JOHN Birresford
Great Britain, War Office Registers, 1772-1935
birth:1754, Uttoxeter, Stafford
military service:   1772   England, United Kingdom

Extra details;
Name   John Birresford
Event Type Military Service
Event Date   1772
Event Place England, United Kingdom
Age   18
Military Regiment Major Fitzroys Troop
Enlistment Place Coventry***
Birth Year (Estimated) 1754
Birthplace   Uttoxeter, Stafford

Trish :)

I wonder if that was the one that went top Australia  :-\
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