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Where were they born? Help please
« on: Friday 17 August 18 11:07 BST (UK) »
I’d really appreciate some help sorting out the questionable locations of ancestors John Bullman c1803-1851 (Journeyman Baker) and Elizabeth Jarvis c1803-1859 who were living in Ardwick around their time of death.  The only marriage record located states they married 1825 Stockport, Cheshire.  Their children were Christiana, Susanna, Andrew, Robert Gibson and Janet.
The damaged 1851 Ardwick census appears to state birth of John Bulman as Sussex Bexhill and for Elizabeth it’s Salop? Newport.  Stated ages are amiss.  I have the birth cert of Robert Gibson and he was 13 in 1851.  Living overseas I’m unfamiliar with locations and google maps is proving way too confusing. 
Any thoughts/guidance would be most helpful, thanks.  PippaR

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Re: Where were they born? Help please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:19 BST (UK) »
In case you are wondering Salop is Shropshire  :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport,_Shropshire
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Re: Where were they born? Help please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:34 BST (UK) »
ELIZABETH Jarvis christened 28 December 1807 Newport, Shropshire to JOHN/SARAH
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Elizabeth is still alive in 1861/1871 Census (1871 with Daug Janet and Family)

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Re: Where were they born? Help please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:51 BST (UK) »
I think I've found them in 1841 :

John Bullman 35 Baker  ( most unusually " Sussex " is written in the column which usually states Y or N for whether born in County )
Elizabeth 35 Salop
Christiana 13 Middlesex
Susan 11 Yes
Andrew 7 Yes
Robert 3 Yes
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Re: Where were they born? Help please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:57 BST (UK) »
John/Elizabeth also had another child;

Baptism: 24 Jul 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
JAMES Bulman - son of John Bulman & Elizabeth
Abode: Manchr
Occupation: Baker

Burial: 19 Dec 1837 Rusholme Rd Cemetery, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Lancashire, England
James Bullman -
Age: 1yrs 6mnths
Abode: Manchester
Grave: 4251
Cause of Death: Dentition

From what I have read elsewhere that can be convulsions due to high temp whilst teething.
No panadol/anti-biotics in those days sadly

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Re: Where were they born? Help please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 August 18 12:01 BST (UK) »
Christiana appears to have been christened at St Dunstan, Stepney, 1 Jun 1828. May be a starting point to look for a marriage.

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Jones:Middleton, Howarth:Manchester, Dean:Ardwick/Manchester, Harvey:Nth Manchester & Elland/West Yorks,  Tattersall:Manchester/Salford/Burnley,  
 Lees:Prestwich/Manchester, Wild : Manchester/Salford,
Davies/Williams :Ruabon/Wrexham
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 August 18 12:03 BST (UK) »
Christiana Bulman baptised 1 June 1828 at St Dunstan and All Saints , Stepney ,  dau John Bulman , baker, and Eliza of Mile End Old Town

( so in London , which fits with the Middlesex birthplace )
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 August 18 12:10 BST (UK) »
John Bulmin , bach , of this parish, baker
Eliza Jarvis , sp, of this parish
married 23 January 1825 at Parish Church of Stockport
witnesses :
Henry Charlton
John Wood
Witnesses are probably unconnected - John Wood appears on nearly every page.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 August 18 12:23 BST (UK) »
If the Stockport marriage is the one, they did a lot of travelling.

Came to Stockport, married, down to London and back to Manchester. Possible, but not very common at the time. Right occupation though.

There is also a christening at St Mary, Lambeth, 18 Apr 1824 of John Robert Bower Bulman. Probably a coincidence and not connected.
Jones:Middleton, Howarth:Manchester, Dean:Ardwick/Manchester, Harvey:Nth Manchester & Elland/West Yorks,  Tattersall:Manchester/Salford/Burnley,  
 Lees:Prestwich/Manchester, Wild : Manchester/Salford,
Davies/Williams :Ruabon/Wrexham
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