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William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« on: Wednesday 22 August 18 13:17 BST (UK) »
Hi, I'm looking to confirm a birth and marriage for William Richards from Llandilofawr. He was the father of John Richards (shoemaker), and the grandfather of William Richards (b1867). John Richards married Mary Thomas in 1865. It states on John and Mary's wedding cert that William was a farmer. They seemed to be located around Carmarthenshire. I think John Richards was born in possibly 1842 but not certain yet. I cant find anything definitive on FindMyPast, wondering if someone would have a look for me on anc please. I'm looking for that one piece of evidence that ties William, John and William jr together. As always thanks again in advance - richard
James, Jinks - Stoke On Trent,  Richards, Rees, Morgans - Llandilofawr, Llangadock, Wilding- Hereford, Underwood, Sitch, Thorne, Day all West Ham, and Leytonstone. .

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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 13:57 BST (UK) »
It may help us if you post details of a census for this family so we have something to work back from
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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 14:16 BST (UK) »
hi, no problem,
1871, John and Mary living in Lowy Terrace, llandilofawr, Carms with children William Henry, Mary Ane and an apprentice John Davies.

1861, John is a boarder with William and Jane Evans at Margaret st , Aberdare, Merthyr Tydfil (I know this due to occupation as a shoemaker)

These 2 census are as close to 100% accurate as I can be. I can't find a census thats puts John and William together.
James, Jinks - Stoke On Trent,  Richards, Rees, Morgans - Llandilofawr, Llangadock, Wilding- Hereford, Underwood, Sitch, Thorne, Day all West Ham, and Leytonstone. .

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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 14:50 BST (UK) »
ref for 1871 is RG10/5486 folio 10 pg 14. Transcription on FindMyPast says Lowy but I suspect that it's Towy Terrace.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 15:04 BST (UK) »
John gave his place of birth in 1871 census as Llangadock, so possible from 1851

Velin, Llangadock HO107/2470 folio 84 pg 4
William Richards head mar 34 farm labourer b. Llandilo
Ann wife 33
Sarah dau 12
John son 9
Ann dau 7
Eliza dau 3
Jane dau 6 months
all born Llangadock apart from William

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 15:21 BST (UK) »
birth reg for Jane Richard dec qtr 1850 Llandovery has mother's maiden name of Harries, as does that of Eliza Richard march qtr 1848 and that for John Richards march qtr 1842 vol 26 pg 531.


Marriage in parish church of Llangadock 27 Oct 1838 for William Richards, full age, bachelor, servant, Havod, his father William, labourer and
Anne Harries, full age, spinster, Felinfach, her father John Harries, labourer.
Both mark, witnesses Thomas Rees & John Richard.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 16:05 BST (UK) »
baptism in Llandilofawr 13 Oct 1816 for William son of William, labourer, and Sarah Richard of Penybanc in Manerfabon Hamlet

1841 census Groftbar, Llangadock HO107/1386/14 folio 28 pg 7
William Richard 50 ag lab
Sarah 55
both born in county

1851 Onenlas, Manorvaben, Llandilo HO107/2471 folio 359 pg 8
William Richard head mar 64
Sarah wife 67
both born Llangadock

Sarah is a widow in 1861 but I'm not finding burial records for either at the moment.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 16:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey, sorry I've been out so missed all your messages, that's a lot of info, absolutely brilliant, yes you are correct it is Towy Terrace. Harries ?? that's interesting, I came across that name recently whilst going through records, will have to dig it out again. Thanks again, really helpful - Richard
James, Jinks - Stoke On Trent,  Richards, Rees, Morgans - Llandilofawr, Llangadock, Wilding- Hereford, Underwood, Sitch, Thorne, Day all West Ham, and Leytonstone. .

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Re: William Richards - Llandilofawr ?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 17:22 BST (UK) »
baptism in Llandilofawr 13 Oct 1816 for William son of William, labourer, and Sarah Richard of Penybanc in Manerfabon Hamlet

1841 census Groftbar, Llangadock HO107/1386/14 folio 28 pg 7
William Richard 50 ag lab
Sarah 55
both born in county

1851 Onenlas, Manorvaben, Llandilo HO107/2471 folio 359 pg 8
William Richard head mar 64
Sarah wife 67
both born Llangadock

Sarah is a widow in 1861 but I'm not finding burial records for either at the moment.

I can't seem to find these census on FindMyPast, is there a marriage for William and Sarah please.
James, Jinks - Stoke On Trent,  Richards, Rees, Morgans - Llandilofawr, Llangadock, Wilding- Hereford, Underwood, Sitch, Thorne, Day all West Ham, and Leytonstone. .