John Westbury, was born in Gloucestershire, England 1824. Before emigrating to

[GWestbury]

Hi Steve,
John Westbury born 1876 and James born 1872/3 were told to leave as they were Hannah`s children from another father? This is all news to me, but it makes sense as to why we never had cousins or other relatives from John's family.  It makes you feel a bit grubby in some ways?
Life in Tenterfield, in those days, would have been very hard and I guess family ties needed to be strong, but Hannah sounds like she did not value or support her children from previous fathers, I assume out of wedlock? Hence those children were not given any acknowledgement for inheritance or otherwise, seems a bit harsh.  That must have made life even more difficult for those people!
Cheers Grahame

[SteveHayward1962]

hi Grahame
Mate it would have been tough times back in the day ,Leeches Gully was poor land according to my granfather .....i was speaking to my mum ...she said the will reading was Uncle Sonny [William Westbury ] who died 1960 ...she said uncle Sonny didnt have children was married......mum said 7 cousins who were male and sons of his Westbury brothers  turned up ....2 of the male cousins were told to leave as they were not of Westbury blood ..... Mum said when the Aunt died later that the assets were divided again amonst the cousins......just wrong on all levels .....Mum has been trying to find the answers behind Hannah and her children.......we were hoping one of the older members would know ...afraid this may have gone to the grave .
regards Steve

[GWestbury]

Hi Steve,
So you are saying I might not be a true Westbury after all??  Having grown up knowing all about Leeches Gully and Tenterfield, that is a bit hard to hear! 
I don't know if you are aware, but I did a bit of searching today and found that Hannah Hoult came out to Australia in 1857 with her family as an Assisted Immigrant (she was a 1 year old) on the Ship "Regina" so I assume her parents were shipped out here.  That must have been very hard also. John Westbury purchased 130 acres in Leeches Gully in 1869 and worked the land without sons to help maybe Anne his first wife, who died rather young at age 55years in 1873 found it too difficult also.
Thanks for all your help, I can't find anyone else who knows anything further.
Cheers Grahame

[SteveHayward1962]

Hi Grahame

i have some records re Hannah Hoults  Family her father James was born around 1827 Derbyshire ?? not confirmed ....James died 1900 Tenterfield .....he married Eliza Rayson who was born Bennett 1818 Hodderson, Hertfordshire she had married Benjamin Rayson 1842 St Martins ,Middlesex.........Eliza  married James  Hoult 1849 St Pancras Middlesex .....they had a daughter Eliza 1849 St Pancras......a son William James born 1852 St Pancras  ....Hannah born 26th June 1855 Islington ,Middlesex...came out to Australia and had another son John Hoult born 1858 Maitland.....Eliza Hoult died 1861 Stoney Creek ,Maitland ....James ended up in the Drake area between Tenterfield and Casino for a few years....as you can see Hannah would have had a tough life mother gone when she was 6 years old ...then having to raise all those children of her own when John died...Family History has lots of hidden skeletons ....i have found murder /suicide with gran parents from my gran mothers side ......another added Smith after his last name of  Eustace he was hiding from a 1st wife with 3 of his children that had come to live out Australia 1880s...even my last name Hayward we feel that the ggg gran father hasnt been quite truthful....thats why i have turned to DNA to try and solve some of the mystery's....take care mate ...
regards Steve your  3rd cousin twice removed

[sparrett]

Hi Steve,
So you are saying I might not be a true Westbury after all??  Having grown up knowing all about Leeches Gully and Tenterfield, that is a bit hard to hear! 

Cheers Grahame

Your initial stumbling block seems to be that you have not purchased certificates for the marriage or death of Hannah WESTBURY (nee HOULT)

If you had the date of her marriage  at the outset 1876, correctly, not 1866 (when she would have been about 10 or 11 years old ) which you could have seen on the online index and confirmed  on a purchased certificate, you would have noted that John WESTBURY, by his birthdate, was ex-nuptial as was James.

This would have given rise to immediate doubts as to his paternity.

I doubt you will discover his father.

Sue



 

[GWestbury]

Hi Sue,

Great to here from you? No I wasn't purchasing the marriage certificate of John Westbury and Hannah Holt, I already knew they were married 1876 (I was originally misled) I was corrected by a Roots Chat person last month. I originally went through Ancestry and paid out a considerable sum for a complete family tree only to be told a whole lot of rubbish about my relatives in USA and nothing about my actual UK relatives.  The whole family were aware of John's birthplace in UK.
Cheers Grahame

[GWestbury]

Hi Steve,
Thanks again, more revelations - Do you know why Hannah Hoult's family came out to Australia, was James Hoult convicted of a crime ? They can't have been too wealthy with the deal they had? Anyway, John Westbury sounds like an OK guy, but the way the wills went seemed a bit unfair!
Thanks for considering me as your 3rd cousin twice removed, that means a lot. How is your mum feeling about the family mystery now?
Cheers Mate
Grahame

[SteveHayward1962]

hi Graham

Mum was hoping that a family member like you may have been told ...mum said all the Westbury girl cousins were disappointed  with the will how it was written ............i have marriage ,death amd other relevant certificates ....more than happy to to take pics of or copy and send to address....im waiting on a marriage certificate from UK for Hannah's dad James ...hoping to get his Dads name so i can look further ....i have 2 half brothers and one half sister ...they are still my brothers and sisters....actually i think you may only have 2 generations between John senior and Yourself ...which makes us second cousins twice removed ...im off to work ...take care
regards Steve

[sparrett]

Hi Steve,
Thanks again, more revelations - Do you know why Hannah Hoult's family came out to Australia, was James Hoult convicted of a crime ? They can't have been too wealthy with the deal they had? 
Grahame

The HOULT family were assisted immigrants to NSW.
The original passenger list is available to view on Ancestry. James was an Agricultural Labourer .

The colony at that time needed manpower and a strong young population to grow and schemes were advertised to attract eligible people with the the offer of assistance for the voyage. This was ususally paid out through labour and service for a specified time on arrival.

Convict transportation to NSW had ceased some years prior.

James HOULT brought his family willingly as did hundreds of thousands of others looking for a new life.

It is very generous of Steve to offer copies of certificates  he has. I think you will find the information a great help in your searches and the seeking of such certified information is the proper way to thorough family history research.