Louis X1V ?

[TreeSpirit]

Weird, I didn't see anywhere that he was a surgeon before he was a baille. I can only find "bailly de Renescure, puis chirurgien major"

Update.. just found your remark re his first marriage and his occupation... there are just too many posts re this subject

[TreeSpirit]

And I had realised that Chirurgien major = le premier chirurgien d'un régiment i.e head (major) sugeon. So, you'd expect someone who had studied for years and would have had a lot of medical experience ...
 

[joger]

More precisely , in the "ancient régime", chirurgien major meant surgeon  in the army , and nothing else .Nowadays major means more.

[roopat]

And I had realised that Chirurgien major = le premier chirurgien d'un régiment i.e head (major) sugeon. So, you'd expect someone who had studied for years and would have had a lot of medical experience ...
 

Following this thread simply out of interest, but I wondered whether at the period in question, being a surgeon would necessarily entail years of study? After all, weren't some barbers also described as surgeons?    I saw the definition you quote but wonder if it really signifies the kind of seniority/superiority we would perhaps expect today?


Very interesting anyway, would be good to learn more.


Pat

[joger]

In France barbers and surgeons were totally separated in 1743  (have a look here :
http://medarus.org/Medecins/MedecinsTextes/divers_institutions/chirurgiens_barbiers.html
at the end of the text (in french)

"Mais la publication du premier volume des mémoires de l’Académie de chirurgie en 1741, acheva de mettre en lumière l’utilité des opinions de La Peyronnie; et par une déclaration rendue le 23 avril 1743, la barberie fut enfin totalement séparée de la chirurgie. Le texte fixe le cadre juridique à l'exercice de la profession de chirurgien, et la sépare clairement de celle de barbier. Le grade de Maître des Arts est exigé pour l'exercice de la profession, la sévérité des examens pour l'obtention de la maîtrise est accrue. Dans l'ordre social, l'état de chirurgien est porté ainsi au même rang hiérarchique que celui de médecin.
 "

[roopat]

Thank you joger, I didn't know it was as early as that, very interesting to see that academically the requirements were rigorous at that time.


I should have consulted my daughter who studied history of medicine for GCSE - I can remember helping her revise but obviously I learnt nothing 


Pat

[joger]

Marie Gatti's thesis on the subject  :
http://docnum.univ-lorraine.fr/public/BUPHA_TD_2014_GATTI_MARIE.pdf

[roopat]

Marie Gatti's thesis on the subject  :
http://docnum.univ-lorraine.fr/public/BUPHA_TD_2014_GATTI_MARIE.pdf

I've read some of this but ran out of time, I'll definitely have another look when I've got more time to spare. The dedications at the beginning are fascinating in themselves. Quite different from my university thesis  but very French.


Thank you joger, I look forward to reading it, the contents look interesting & a very good challenge for my ageing brain cells 
Pat

[Hukanui76]

Thank you for all the comments and information.   I have been away for three days so slow in replying.   Wish I had learnt French, the av1817 explanation was of great help.

Feel finding record of JBs death may be too hard.

Thank you
Heather