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Lane or Lapha?
« on: Monday 27 August 18 15:26 BST (UK) »
I've been looking for the mother of my Mary Ann Lane for some years. Mary Ann was born in 1871 in St John Horsleydown Southwark. On the 1891 census (under her married name. I've never found her on any others under her maiden name) she says she was born in Rotherhithe.

Her birth certificate (born in the workhouse) says her mother is Hannah Lane and that Mary Ann is Illegitimate.

On her two marriages she gives her father as Edward LANE, lighterman - though where she got this from is anyone's guess as Edward Lane, lighterman doesn't appear to exist.

I estimated that her mother Hannah would have been born approx. 1851 but I've never found any conclusive record of who she was or where she came from. The workhouse records for her daughter's year of birth are no longer extant.

I was searching the Genealogist today and found this on the 1881 census
Hannah Lane born 1872 Domestic servant born Bermondsey

RG11
581
31
30

In the house of E.E.J Lewis, Lighterman.

Further research on Ancestry points to E.E.J Lewis as being one Edward Edmund James Lewis.

I got very enthusiastic thinking that there might be a few too many "Coincidences" here and I might be onto something....then...having looked up the same record on Ancestry and Findmypast I find they have transcribed Hannah's surname as Lapha.

and I agree. It's difficult to see on the image. it looks as though the enumerator has corrected it. However, I can't find any records for the name Lapha.

Anyone like to look at the original image and tell me what they think please?

Please, please please make it....LANE! ;D :D

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Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Lane or Lapha?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 August 18 15:31 BST (UK) »
It looks like the enumerator has at first written "do"  and then written "Lane" over it.
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Re: Lane or Lapha?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 August 18 15:41 BST (UK) »
I agree with ShaunJ. Though as you say where is Mary Ann who would be 10?

ADDED: Hannah 29 in 1881, so born ca 1850/1. Though Hannah could be Ann/Anna etc ...so birth/baptism may be difficult. No Hannah Lanes on freebmd for 1850/51 in Surrey.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 August 18 15:54 BST (UK) »
I agree with ShaunJ. Though as you say where is Mary Ann who would be 10? have you found a baptism for Mary Ann?

Unfortunately not. I imagine that she was probably baptised in the workhouse and the records are no longer existing.

I can find no record of her before her marriage in 1890. 1891 is the first census I can find her on.
Davis - Berkshire & London
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Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 August 18 16:02 BST (UK) »
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Hannah 29 in 1881, so born ca 1850/1

If she was 29 at the beginning of April 1881, she must have been born 1851/2. 
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 August 18 16:06 BST (UK) »

ADDED: Hannah 29 in 1881, so born ca 1850/1. Though Hannah could be Ann/Anna etc ...so birth/baptism may be difficult. No Hannah Lanes on freebmd for 1850/51 in Surrey.

Was searching these sites while you were writing this and I can't find her birth either ::) ???


Davis - Berkshire & London
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Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Lane or Lapha?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 August 18 16:09 BST (UK) »
No birth records for an Hannah Lapha either
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Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
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Re: Lane or Lapha?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 August 18 16:10 BST (UK) »
 :-[ :-[ ;D ;D - I think you've noticed flaws in my arithmetic before Shaun.
Then this is the only Surrey birth 1851 - 52
Births Mar 1852 
Lane    Hannah Lucy        Godstone    2a   122

LANE, HANNAH  LUCY     MONNERY     
GRO Reference: 1852  M Quarter in GODSTONE  Volume 02A  Page 122

but can't be your Hannah as she married in 1871
Name:   Hannah Lucy Lane
Gender:   Female
Age:   19
Birth Date:   1852
Marriage Date:   30 Oct 1871
Marriage Place:   Croydon, Surrey, England
Father:   James Lane
Spouse:   Richard Henry Monnery
FHL Film Number:   994340
Reference ID:   192

& died in 1881
Name:   Hannah Lucy Munnery
[Hannah Lucy Monnery]
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1853
Registration Year:   1881
Registration Quarter:   Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death:   28
Registration district:   Godstone
Volume:   2a
Page:   113
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Lane or Lapha?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 August 18 16:27 BST (UK) »
So very frustrating! Buts that's family history for you - two steps forward and one step back.

Southwark and Bermondsey is where most of my maternal family have come from since the middle of the 19th century and St Olave crops up more than once.

I still think this lady may be a possible but di she lie about her age? Her place of birth? Her name?

Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire