betsey hamilton and james marshall , kerrimuir

[gratuation]

could someone please do a check on betsey hamilton and james marshall . I don't know where they were born but their daughter was Helen Marshall born in 1816 Armagh Ireland. I am adding this to the angus page because i think the family were just visiting ireland when helen was born , on the marriage entry for helen and francis it says both lived in the parish of old Machar .

I cannot find anything on betsey hamilton nor james marshall , any  help would be great

G

[Forfarian]

What sort of check? Where have you looked already? What else do you know about them?

Old Machar is in Aberdeen, not in Angus. Do you think that they also lived in Angus?

Have you tried www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk?

[rosie17]

Think this might be a possible marriage 28 December 1838 Old Machar Aberdeen
Helen Marshall
Francis Whitecross

If this is the correct family they were living in Dundee in the later census forms

Rosie

[ev]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732111.msg5772071#msg5772071

There are other threads on the Whitecross family.



ev

[rosie17]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732111.msg5772071#msg5772071

There are other threads on the Whitecross family.



ev

Thanks ev just seen them 

Rosie

[heywood]

Just noticed this thread.

I posted on this Irish one this morning but has some relevance here.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732111.msg6569339#msg6569339

[Forfarian]

gratuation, when you start a new thread about people you have already been asking about in other threads, please always include a link to all previous threads so that helpful people don't waste their time looking up information you already have. From those earlier threads, you clearly know a lot more about the family of James Marshall and Betsey Hamilton than is obvious from your first post in this new thread.

[Forfarian]

According to Scotland's People James Marshall and Elizabeth Hamilton had seven children in the parish of Shotts, Lanarkshire:
Elizabeth, 1794
Margaret, 1796
Agnes, 1796
James, 1799
John, 1802
Thomas, 1804
Richard, 1812

Are these the James Marshall and Betsy Hamilton you are looking for?

I see from the SP index to the census that Francis Whitecross was in Dundee in 1841 aged 20, in Dundee in 1851 aged 30 and in Perth in 1861 aged 40, but not after that. There does not seem to be a death certificate. Do you know what happened to him?

In 1851 there are in Dundee Francis Whitecross, 30; Helen, 34; James, 12; Willm, 8; David, 5; and Hellen, 3. In 1861 there are in Perth Francis, 40; Ann, 28; Willm, 17. Have you looked at the originals of these censuses?

However SP has no baptisms of children to Francis Whitecross and Helen Marshall.

In 1881 Helen Whitecross, widow, aged 76, born Armagh, Ireland is in Liff and Benvie with her daughter Margaret, 38, born Dundee. If that age is correct she would have been born in 1804/1805, not 1816/1817 as suggested by her age in the 1851 census. (And where was Margaret in 1851, when she would have been just 8 years old?)

In 1861 Hellen Whitecross, 44, was in Dundee with David, 15 and Hellen, 14, but I can't find her in 1871.

Helen Marshall or Whitecross died in Dundee in 1882, aged 65. Have you seen her death certificate? Is that where you got her parents' names from?

I note from SP that a Francis Whitecross married Ann Laird in Dundee in 1883. Did Francis leave his wife and set up house with Ann Laird, whom he married as soon as was decorous after his wife's death? Or was this a different Francis Whitecross?

So far, there seems to be no evidence to link the Marshalls with Kirriemuir or any where else in Angus. Why do you think the Marshalls (as opposed to the Whitecrosses) may have had anything to do with Kirriemuir?

[isobelw]

Helen was calling herself married in 1861 and 1871 but there was no sign of Francis. In 1861 a Francis Whitecross with correct age and place of birth was living in Perth with ‘wife’ Ann and son William age 17 born Aberdeen ( who matches with son William age 8 born Old Machar from 1851 census).
Francis and Ann possibly emigrated to the US, as a matching couple turn up in New Jersey in 1880. They have a son Robert age 6,( born Scotland). Probable immigration record in 1879 with son Robert age 6 and daughter Margaret age 17.
Isobel