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John Stokes
« on: Friday 07 September 18 11:10 BST (UK) »
 Can anyone help .
I have this family all born Wrexham,
1841 Toxteth
John Stokes  50 bricklayer  (died 1854 aged 69.)
Mary Stokes  45
 Edward Stokes  15 
 William Stokes  15
 Charles Stokes  15
 Nathan Stokes  13
 Jophines Stokes  10 male ???

In 1851, John 67 and Mary 65 are in Toxteth Park, Liverpool , with  Edward 31   and Nathan  27 ?
The other sons John 25   William 28  Charles 26  are in another household in Liverpool.

I can only find this marriage on Family search,  and can`t find any baptisms. If this John is a bricklayer then he might be the right one.
John Stokes / Mary Phoenix    Marriage   18 Apr 1814 Brymbo, Denbighshire.

Any more info on John and Mary would be great,  I have them in census after 1851, it`s just previous  to 1841 I need help with.
   
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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 September 18 11:29 BST (UK) »
There is also a possible daughter Anne born c 1819 who is also in Liverpool in 1851.

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Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 September 18 11:31 BST (UK) »
Just on thought as to Baptisms,they could well be non-conformist.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 September 18 12:05 BST (UK) »
He's not my John Stokes, although i did wonder for a second.  As WR says, they  could be non-c. All mine were Methodists.

Have you tried FreeReg or Blackwell?


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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 September 18 12:48 BST (UK) »
1851 Mary is born c 1786 Wrexham, 1861 c 1791, 1871 c 1790

The Marriage you have is a possible.

Mary PHOENIX Baptised 02 Oct 1789, Chester Street Congregational, Wrexham
Birth 28 Feb 1789
Parents JAMES/ELIZABETH
Several siblings for her 1791-1804
(Source FreeREG)

A James PHOENIX married Elizabeth PRICE 23 November 1783 Brymbo, Denbighshire
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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 September 18 12:58 BST (UK) »
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I can only find this marriage on Family search,  and can`t find any baptisms. If this John is a bricklayer then he might be the right one.
John Stokes / Mary Phoenix    Marriage   18 Apr 1814 Brymbo, Denbighshire.

John Stokes is down as a builder. By licence.

Witnesses Edward Stokes and Jane Parish.

Wrexham not Brymbo - as most of them are!


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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 September 18 13:02 BST (UK) »
Quote from: trish1120 on Friday 07 September 18 12:48 BST (UK)

A James PHOENIX married Elizabeth PRICE 23 November 1783 Brymbo, Denbighshire
(Source Familysearch.Org)

Also married Wrexham. 

Familysearch copied from FindMyPast and FindMyPast have misclassified all the Wrexham records to Brymbo before Brymbo was a separate parish.

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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 September 18 13:04 BST (UK) »
For info

Anything that has Brymbo before 1844 is most probably wrong and should be Wrexham. The only way to find out is to check the original records or Clwyd FHS booklets

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Brymbo

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The new parish of Brymbo was formed by an Order in Council on 6 December 1844, out of the ancient parish of Wrexham. It contained the township of Brymbo and part of the township of Broughton.


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Re: John Stokes
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 September 18 14:05 BST (UK) »
There is an 1828 will at NLW of Edward Stokes,bricksetter in which he nominates his son John as beneficiary/executor.
(There is also an 1854 will of James Stokes,Wrexham,coachbuilder).

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