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Offline BamptonHatherleigh

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baptism wrong?!
« on: Friday 07 September 18 13:55 BST (UK) »
Great Great Grandfather was a Marine, most of his children were born in Stonehouse Plymouth, where his wife was from.  I have the naval records of most of their baptisms.
I have
Parents are : Francis Brady Heydock b1850 m to Jessie nee Friend b 1851

Children :
Richard George b 1877 stonehouse
Jessie Ellen b 1879 Stonehouse
Rose Mary b 1882 Stonehouse
Norman b 1884 Taunton
Alice Timpey b 1888 ( my Grandmother cannot find a baptism) have birth record.

Here are the queries I have a Baptism record from Lydia Mary Heydock at St John Baptist Glastonbury 4th July 1886 together with Norman;  father shown as Frank Brady Colour sergeant (same as his father) mother Jessie.
Then I have a Naval baptism record for Lilian May Heydock , right parents frank and Jessie also shown as colour sergeant..b 1st June 1886... I can find no other record of Lydia .
Others doing our tree seem to have merged Lilian and Lydia but i cant believe Lydia mary and Lilian May are the same people.
On The admiralty folio records upto and including Lilian but nothing after ..
These are the sources and info for both baptisms:

British Army and Navy BDM
WO 68/ 441C (1836 - 1887)
4th Battalion Somerset light infantry
Lilian May Heydock b 1 Jun 1886 bapt 29 Jun 1886 Glastonbury
Parents: Francis & Jessie Heydock

Then for Lydia mary:

Parish Register D\P\gla.j/2/1/15
Lydia Mary Heydock bp 4 July 1886 St John Baptist Glastonbury
Parents: Francis Brady & Jessie Heydock

Anyone ever come across anything like this before.. I thought twins, but then why are they not both shown together.
I might have thought the Glastonbury church record were for someone else if it wasnt for the joint baptism of Lydia and Norman?!

Sorry its long but wanted to make sure you had all the info that I have.

TIA for any light that can be shone!



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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 September 18 14:05 BST (UK) »
Do you have this from the GRO Birth Index ??

 LILIAN  MAY HEYDOCK     Mothers maiden name FRIEND      
GRO Ref 1886  June Qrter  WELLS  Vol 05C  Page 540

Added - Could the Lydia baptism be an error :-\

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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 September 18 14:11 BST (UK) »
The image for the 4 July 1886 baptism at St John, Glastonbury shows that Lydia Mary and Norman were both baptised on that date - children of Francis Brady and Jessie Heydock of Above Town.  Francis is a Colour Sergeant.  No birth dates are indicated.



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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 September 18 14:27 BST (UK) »
Do you have this from the GRO Birth Index ??

 LILIAN  MAY HEYDOCK     Mothers maiden name FRIEND      
GRO Ref 1886  June Qrter  WELLS  Vol 05C  Page 540

Added - Could the Lydia baptism be an error :-\

No I dont but thats correct. My feeling is Lydia is an error but rather a big one... no similarity between the two names other than the L and M!?
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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 September 18 14:36 BST (UK) »
1911 Census Jessie states that she has had 10 children born alive, 7 still living.
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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 September 18 15:01 BST (UK) »
1911 Census Jessie states that she has had 10 children born alive, 7 still living.
AH HA! Well spotted I forgot to check that and as Norman was 2 in 1886 there is nothing to say that Lydia was actually born in 1886, and even with Lydia I have only got 8 of them.
MUCH more digging to do then  ::)
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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 September 18 14:01 BST (UK) »
Do you have this child?

HAYDOCK, FRANCIS  JOHN     FRIEND     
GRO Reference: 1875  D Quarter in WELLS  Volume 05C  Page 525
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 September 18 14:11 BST (UK) »
This one of the others you found?

HAYDOCK, DAISY       FRIEND     
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 628


Death

Deaths Jun 1892   
Heydock    Daisy    0    Bedminster    5c   447
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: baptism wrong?!
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 September 18 20:30 BST (UK) »
Hi there

The baptism for Francis John is as follows
St John the Baptist Church. Glastonbury Page 85. entry 674
5 December 1875
Francis John Heydoc (k) sp
to Francis and Jessie
Living at Northload Street. Glastonbury
Corporal Royal Marines
Somerset
Areas Bridgwater, Street, Glastonbury and surrounding Villages

Names, Whitcombe (and variations) , Diment, Mounsher, Cave

Wiltshire
Areas Pewsey, Calne
Clements, Ashton, Henly, Groves, Burgess

Kent
All, Folkestone for Punnett family
Punnett, Roalfe (and variations), Vaughan, Tuff,