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Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 17 February 19 16:55 GMT (UK) »
 

Just something to look out for, in the record of Eva Heron up in court at Nottingham, look how she as the same solicitor as Emily Bacon on the record below hers, i have found many records by just researching Mr. R. A. Young, he has been associated with many court proceeding involving several Gipsy names, he has evan prosecuted them to, this is another way of researching, if you just find the name say of a Street or a Yard, go hard on researching just that name, information does turn up.

 
 Tuesday 13 March 1883
  Bolton Evening News
  Lancashire 

A BLACKPOOL GIPSY AT BRADFORD
 
 At Bradford on Monday, before Colonel Pollard and other magistrates, Delia Young, a gipsy, of whom it was stated that her family had been gipsies for 'generations, coming originally from Bohemia, was charged with fortune-telling. For some weeks prisoner, with a number of other gipsies, had been staying at a village named Wyke, and hundreds of persons, had visited her. Her fees ranged from 1s. to 5s., the latter sum being charged when a planet was ruled. She told the wife of a police-sergeant that it would not be safe to elope with a man to America unless he married her first, and to a servant she gave a written warranty, and told her that she was suffering from a discontented mind. It was given in evidence that her earnings must average several guineas a day for many weeks. For the defence it was noted that prisoner and her family had told fortunes at Blackpool during the season for twenty years. She was fined £5 and costs.

Ps. In the Newspaper the st James Gazette  Monday 12 March 1883 County London,  it was stated that the alternative to paying the fine was two months in prison, the fine was payed.
 

Monday 05 February 1923
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire

 CROSSED GIPSY'S PALM
         WITH PAPER.
 NOTTINGHAM HOUSEWIFE
      “UNDER A SPELL.”

 POLICE COURT SEQUEL.

The sequel to a vanished £1 note, was heard at the Nottingham Guildhall to-day. when Eva Heron. 21, described as a caravan-dweller, was charged with stealing from a woman by means of a trick. The defendant, came to see her on January 26th, telling her that her sister said there was a big event in her life that she ought know of. Witness replied that she did not wish to know, but accused  persisted in telling her. and asked her put a piece silver into her (witness) own hand. When witness replied that she had no 'silver but only notes, defendant offered to change some. Going into the front room the young woman followed her. and told her to lay a 10s. note on her hand. Again witness complied. Proceeding to talk about witnesses husband, who was in hospital, defendant suggested that the 10s. should be replaced by a £1 note, telling witness to look into her eyes when she spoke of her husband.  When accused left the house the £1 note went with her. It was her intention to give her 6d. as she was so persistent, but she never meant to part with the £1 as it was housekeeping money. Answering Mr. R. A. Young, who defended, witness denied that defendant said "if you give me £1 I will tell you everything.”
'' TRUTH IS TRUTH.''
P.s. dunkerley, who traced accused to a gipsy encampment near the Shoulder of Mutton Inn, Basford. said that when questioned the woman replied, I will tell the truth. I did have the £1 note, but will pay it back. “I took to buy clothes for my unborn  baby. Do the best you can for me.” At Hyson Green police station, in answer to the charge, she said. “Truth is truth . I did take the money and I am sorry and I will pay it back if you will let me. But the Lady was willing.”
Mr. Young said there was nothing previously against defendant, and argued that complainant  parted with her money willingly. If accused paid the money back, he suggested the Bench should put her on probation, with the additional understanding that she did not indulge in fortune-telling. The. Chairman (Ald. J. E. Pendleton, who was accompanied by Mrs, Dowson) considered the charge proved and that defendant exercised a spell over the woman. Who was evidently highly strung. As however, there was nothing against her previously, defendant would be placed on probation for three years, in addition to refunding the £1. and paying 10s. costs  Accused told the magistrates she would never tell fortunes again.

Small extracts below to show the same Solicitor as above, this Solicitors old records may hold many hidden records, he as represented several Gipsy family's over the yeares, there must be in Nottingham an archive of the family history of Youngs Solicitors.

Monday 14 October 1901
  Sheffield Daily Telegraph
  South Yorkshire 

FORTUNE-TELLING NEAR NOTTINGHAM
  WOMAN'S EXTRAORDANARY GULLIBILITY.  A remarkable case of fortune-telling stated at the Nottingham Shire Hall when an old gipsy-woman, named Emily Bacon, was charged 

Saturday 24 April 1909
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 

FORTUNE TELLING “WORKING THE PLANETS”
  A charge of pretending and professing to tell fortunes, was preferred at the Nottingham Police-court to-day against a woman aged 60, named Emily Bacon, hawker, of no fixed abode. Mr. R. A. Young, defended. 
 
 Saturday 01 December 1894
  Leicester Chronicle
  Leicestershire 
FORTUNE-TELLING AT WOODTHORPE
 WOODTHORPE. AMUSING EVIDENCE. IN LEAGUE WITH THE DEVIL A 19th CENTURY SORCERESS.   Emily Bacon, hawker, of no fixed residence. RULING THE PLANETS.
   
 

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Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 22:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Mel

Thank you for the Link to the Gypsy Genealogy Web Site, Eric Trudgill and Anne-Marie Ford are setting the bar with their outstanding contributions in their honest attempt to be as pragmatic as is humanely possible in that desire to learn and share, which is to them I am sure a great passion, they both find themselves in uncharted waters that as yet to be sailed, they are both very lucky indeed to live in this time that will bring great discovery’s  that in turn will be of the greatest benefit to many, I do enjoy reading through their writings, Eric Trudgill writes in a very numerate solid foundational tone, hinged with the slightest of pessimism that all great Historians must cloak themselves in, it is not right to just be a know all, so His wiliness to acknowledge that his own writings though of the highest of standards may well be corrected in a way that they are not false but of the learning curve that was born on the cusp that is the changing of the day and the bringing of the night, how great it is to see through darkness.  Anne-Marie Ford I think as the flow of a poetic Flower, I do not need to say no more, well done and good luck to them both in their future endeavours, and again Mel thank you for being so kind as to send me the Link about Riley Boswell and the connections to the Heron Young’s, who I am at present trying to research and learn about here on roots chat, I am trying to stay with the Herons and not go of in a tangent to much but I to have been finding records of the Boss Boswells that are connected to the Herons Hearne’s Young’s, I will put just a few on my next post to show people who like me try to understand and find more of their real life as in living, what I want to achieve is a way for a researcher to match names up, I truly think all Gipsy People will be connected, there as bean I think a false attempt to separate the Gipsies, this attempt as worked in what I have listened to down through the years’ since the internet brought many people together from many locations and different kinds of lifestyles, I have listened to people from the biggest of the Gipsy names of the past, people from names that many never have known, evan in the slightest way, or evan been wrote about, people with well-known names who think that just be course they have a name that is known from the older writers, well they think this carries something, how strange is that, I have listened to the stories of people whose name as only been wrote about in a derogatory way yet they tell of great Gipsy truths in their talk, any way I am trying to find many records on this thread so that in the stories I find more names or clues will link up and show the connection that binds all Gipsy Family’s, not with the chains that were weaved by the false narrative of the ignorant, for truly many people only wrote in the style of their own day, their own life, their own teachings, and they never evan new this, they never new they were only analysing the life they had lived, often I have read into their writing and it was truley themselves and their own teachings, there are many writers who are and have been searching throughout time, they should have just looked in a mirror and saved themselfs a long journey, they were lost, but the trouble was they may well have found themselves in that tangled vine that is truly trapped in the glizening web, intising is the lure of genealogy history, but their legacy is surely only now in my mind a dirty mess, for every record that a person may find themselves in, represents only maybe just one percent of the times and the doings of that said record, many many times there will be no recorded history, you have to know how to read records, to read that which was never wrote is to learn the real truth, there will be clues, this is where a researcher must transcribe every detail of every account, once you start to learn how to understand you will start to read the unwriten, all Gipsies of the past were switched on, they all new in my mind what is what, they have been underestimated and not given full credit, this separation talk that makes its way in to our time is not right, true many thrive on such talk, they write in supple ways.

Thank you again Mel for the fine link to the Gypsy Genealogy Web Site, I do recommend everybody who as an interest in the ongoing truth to read through the many many thoughtful pages of this vast knowledgeable Web Site by two very good Researches of high calibre. I will put a few things on about the Boss Boswells then I will carry on with my Research for the Herons

michael
Riley Boss and his wife Lucy are my 3rd great grandparents but I am also related to the Hearn, Heron/ Young Family.....this is interesting. Eric Trudgill has been very helpful too as well as Anne. I find your posts here informative. Most my research has been found on my family after arriving in the USA. My great great grandfather Frampton Young came to America from England in 1855. My gg grandfather Samson Boss ( Son Of Riley and Lucy Boss) came to America as well as his Mother in the 1860’s . Thank you for posting this information.
Here is a marriage certificate of My gg grandfather Frampton’s youngest son Nathan and Pinkney, married in the USA.

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Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 21 May 19 20:29 BST (UK) »
Helo Daisy, wow that's a great name, you are related to the Gipsies alright, you should write up a story of your thoughts and put in on here for your Relations of tomorrow, you should do it, no need to think just write, let your soul talk, one day you will be gone and only strangers will talk for you, tell of your life, tell of all who you ever listened to, just say anything, it will be your words and true words, in hundreds of yeares time people will talk of Daisy, i have tryed my best to be right by your People