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« Reply #36 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:21 GMT (UK) »
read below about  Duncan-square, Oswaldtwistle, the Wests own this land the Heron Boswells stayed there in the records, it may be next to the castle inn, i found the castle inn was of or on union street 

Saturday 22 April 1933
 Lancashire Evening Post
  Lancashire 

 
POPULAR FIGURE Astley Bridge Funeral of Mr. S. G. West Van dwellers from many parts of the country attended the funeral at Astley Bridge cemetery yesterday, of Mr. Samuel Griper West, the owner of land at Duncan-square, Oswaldtwistle, which has been occupied by van dwellers for two generations. The hearse was drawn by six horses with & postillion. Wintering in Duncan-square and spending the summer in travelling about the country, Mr. West, a fine figure of a man, six feet one and a half inches tall, he had sold carpets far and wide until few years ago. He had five brothers and three sisters in different parts of the country, and a suvived widow, three sons  and four daughters. Flowers were everywhere. On the coffin was a large wreath of white  lilies and hanging from it was wreath of red and yellow roses. At the front was a chair fashioned in flowers. In an open motor coach laden with flowers was a cross of red tulips against a background of white flower. Behind the coach were the words “Peacefuly Rest ”in  blood-red tulips. Thirteen motor cars followed with mourners, almost entirely members of the West family, and near relatives
 
 
  Tuesday 19 September 1933
  Lancashire Evening Post
  Lancashire


 
  Osivaldtwistle Hawker s £2,358 Mr. Samuel Griper West, of Duncan-square, Oswaldtwistle, travelling hawker, left an estate of the value of £2.358. with net personalty nil Probate has been granted to widow. Mrs, Louisa West, of the same address and his sons. Samuel Griper West, also of the same residence and john Vincent West, of 1, Clark-street near Bolton, hawkers.
 

  Friday 15 January 1937
  Lancashire Evening Post
  Lancashire
 
 WEIGHTS MISSED
Story of Oswaldtwistle Man’s Visit to a Shop William West (65). a carpet hawker, living in a caravan in Duncan-square, Oswaldtwistle, was fined £2 by Accrington magistrates to-day for stealing two  weights value 1s, the property of Thomas Wilson, a herbalist, 156, Blackbum-road, Accrington. He was stated by the Chief Constable, Mr. C. H  Walters, to have entered the shop yesterday and asked for credit, which was refused, for a twopenny  purchase. The weights were afterwards missed. Evidence was called that West offered the weights for sale at another shop , and that after he had been taken to the police station with another man who was with him. the weights were found on the window ledge of the police car. Prisoner said the other man put the weights in his pocket, but this the other man denied, and and said he never entered the shop. The Chief Constable said West was a property owner and managed to live on the rent he received from that property. The Chairman. Mr, S. Wooler. said West had not told them the truth and had tried to bring a friend in, which made the matter worse
 

 


  Tuesday 26 January 1937
 Lancashire Evening Post
  Lancashire


 
  CARAVAN DWELLER’S LAPSE -Church Court Story IN Oswaldtwistle

caravan dweller, William West 68'. of Duncan-square, was fined £2 at Church-Court  to-day. for stealing from a shop, at 77, Havelock-street, Oswaldtwistle yesterday, a full set of dentures and dental articles valued at £l3 9s. 6d. Superintendent Pagett said that a Mrs. Martha Keys took the
dentures to 77, Havelock-street, the shop of Mr. John Groves, dentist, who put them in a cabinet in which were various dental articles. Later, West went into the surgery and asked for his mouth to be examined, and afterwards called at 11. Market-street, Church, and offered the teeth mentioned in the charge to Mr. Walter Barnes, a jeweller. Mr. Barnes told him they were worth nothing to him and West then went to Mr, George Edwards Parkins, who was standing outside the Commercial Hotel. West offered the teeth to Mr. Parkins, who refused them, and West then put them on the window ledge of the Commercial Hotel, and went away. The other articles were recovered from the caravan. West told the magistrates the articles were no use to him. He was silly to do such thing. Superintendent Pagett said he thought West was taking too much to drink. A further charge of stealing yesterday from the Station Hotel, Church, a pair of pince-nez glasses, value 155., the property of Emily Lee, was taken into consideration

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« Reply #37 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:22 GMT (UK) »
Friday 07 November 1952
  Clitheroe Advertiser and Times
  Lancashire

Carpets! Carpets!
... Assembly Rooms,   FRIDAY NEXT, NOV. C. WEST Lice-ised Hawker 29. GREEN STREET. 


  Friday 13 February 1953
 Clitheroe Advertiser and Times
  Lancashire

   Carpets! Carpets! FINAL CLEARANCE AT THESE PRICES. SALE FOR TWO DAYS ONLY. Carpets, Rugs and Runners, Axminater ..
... 24tfe 10 a.m. to 3-30 pja. The Social Club, Westgale, Clitheroe C. WEST Licensed Hawker 29, GREEN STREET, DARLINGTON WE HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH ANY OTHER DEALERS OR HAWKERS. ...

 
 
  Saturday 08 May 1954
 Burnley Express
  Lancashire


CARPETS – RUGS – CARPETS
... CLEAR: A FEW IMPERFECT CARPETS, x 2\, from £6/10/0. RUGS from 35/- COME AND BRING YOUR CORRECT SIZES C. WEST. Licensed Hawker. 29. GREEN STREET, DARLINGTON No connection with anyone or any canvassers. ...
 

Friday 05 October 1956
 Nelson Leader
  Lancashire


 All Sizes from 3x 21 yards to x 4 yards. COME IN AND BUY A BARGAIN. Free Delivery (Anywhere). J. WEST and W. FORSTER, Licensed Hawkers. Oswaldtwistle and Beverley. ...

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Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:22 GMT (UK) »
i have put these storys on to learn of the bigger picture i am sure the Gipsys of Lancashire link up,  below i found out lots about Hale Moss, these Gipsies below i am sure link straight with the Herons Boswells not far away at Oswaldtwistle
 

Tuesday 15 April 1919
Lancashire Evening Post
  Lancashire

 GIPSY’S FUNERAL.

The funeral took place yesterday of Mr. Boss, at Bowden Parish Church. Mr. Boss, who was in his 91st year, was one of the last in the country. For over 60 years he lived on Hale Moss, Altrincham, first on the original Gipsy encampment, and for the last quarter of a century in a wooden house  erected on land provided for him by the Earl of Stamford, at a nominal rental. Mr. Boss was born at Shipley,Yorkshire.


Friday 05 June 1908
 Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire


   The beneficed clergymen for the Church of England deriving, as not a few of them do, some portion of stipend revenue from the public house rents and other sources not entirely unconnected with the drink trade, may support the present Licensing Bill and other action of the so-called Temperance organisations, and justify this procedure to their inner consciousness. Though we  may naturally feel that such action savours of inconsistency and is calling for criticism, it is not for us to condemn. That a function Testing solely between the clergyman, his conscience, and the Higher Power to which he submits. Apparently, however, this very humble teacher of our Lord's doctrine, Judge not, that ye be not judged; condemn not that ye be not  condemned, arrogates himself the power of condemning the brewer and all his works. During the present summer the Gypsies will receive a good deal of attention on account of the Movable Dwellings Bill of Lord Clifford of Chudleigh and of the forthcoming conference at Berne. Mr. E. O. Winstedt has an interesting article in the current number in the Journal of the Gipsy Lore Society, in which he says: Even as regarde the settlement of Gypsies, England can compare not unfavourably with most of the other countries. The Blackpool colony is almost sedentary. The Welsh Gypsies have found two half-sedentary employments, fishing and rowing visitors on the lakes, which provide for them a comfortable and ordinary means to life. In the New Forest there is a large settlement of seven hundred Gypsies at Thorny Hill, who subsist by selling flowers; and I am told there is another colony at the foot of the Malvern Hills. Crofton mentions a settlement of five families of Boswells at Hale Moss, near Altrincham. They have been settled there for sixteen years, but lived in broken-down railway cars, vans and tents, and had not given up on wandering. They went round the fairs dealing in horses and playing the fiddle, and some travelled even as far as Blackpool. One hopes that as the Gypsies from the picturesque and romantic element in our national life they will not be civilised off the face of the earth.

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Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:27 GMT (UK) »
 these storys below is for you all to understand the bigger picture of Hale Moss Lancshire, it is very inportant to learn the bigger picture, that Earl of Stamford who was charging the Old Romany Boss Family rent at Hale Moss in the story above from 1919 as been at such things for hundreds of years, look at him below, sure he must be a great age by now merrrm


plus look at the story below from 1844 and 1849 about the railway then look at the story above about the Boss Boswells living in railway waggons, its a good clue that links everything up


  Tuesday 21 September 1779
  Manchester Mercury
  Lancashire

belonging, lying, and being in Hale aforesaid, now in the Occupation of Robert Calley the Younger, and called by the Name of Bentley’s….  and held for three Lives, under the Earl Stamford, subject to a refereed Rent of 14s ...
 
Tuesday 23 September 1783
 Manchester Mercury
  Lancashire

Tenement now in the Occupation of Joseph Banion, as Under-Tenant thereof, and held by Leale for three Lives in the Earl of Stamford, subject to a reserved Rent of 61 Lot ad, All that and Tenement, with the Out buildings, Orchard Garden, and about twenty-one ...
 
Tuesday 05 August 1788
  Manchester Mercury
  Lancashire

……Field, or Parcel Land, situated, and being by Hale Moss. near Altrincham aforesaid, in the County, called or known by the Name of the Dirty Meadow Also, to be Sold at Auction, the House of Mr. Shaw, the Bull’s Head, in the Market place, in Manchester.
 
 Saturday 12 October 1844
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

Closes of Meadow or  Pasture Land, called the Dirty Meadow-, situate near Hale Moss, in Altrincham aforesaid, containing by admeasurement 3a. 2r. 3ap.,  Statute  measure, or thereabouts 



Saturday 23 November 1844
 Liverpool Mail
  Lancashire

RAILWAY
... the main railway, commencing in the said Township of Altrincham, and Parish of thence passing from, in, through, or into the several parishes, townships, and extra-parochial, and other places of Altrincham, Hale, and Bowden, and terminating in the said Township ...







this story below may point to an ancient place round these moss land that were used by travelling peoples over many years long ago

Friday 04 June 1847
Manchester Times
Lancashire

DISTRICT INTELLIGENCE
 Inquest.—On Wednesday an inquest was held before Mr. Roscoe, coroner, and a respectable jury, at the house of Mr. George Hulme, at the Wool Pack, on the body of a child named Patrick Cone, aged five months. It appears that the parents of the child are Irish gipsies, and had pitched their tents on Hale Moss. From the evidence of the mother, it appeared that the child had been in a delicate state of health for some time, and on Tuesday morning she found it dead in bed. Mr. Pownall, surgeon, stated that he had examined the body, and it was his opinion that the child had died from a disease called the marasmus. Verdict accordingly.—There are three families connected with this tribe; they are of the very lowest grade of human beings, and seem to get their living by begging. This neighbourhood is much infested with such characters. One of the families pitched their tent in a hollow on the Moss, and one night, during a storm, the rain came down in torrents and flooded them out 


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« Reply #40 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:28 GMT (UK) »
 
  Wednesday 01 September 1847
 Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire


 News of the Neighbouring Towns. ALTRINCHAM. Curious Hatch.—Mr. Massey, of Altrincham, this week observed a chicken come chirping from the horse midden. It is supposed that a hen must have laid an egg there and that the heat of the manure had hatched it ...

  Wednesday 22 September 1847
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

General Intelligence
  A Curious Fact There is at this time to be seen Hayman's farm, Hale Moss, near Baguley, a nest of hornets, which have completely destroyed a valuble hive of bees adjacent and abstracted the whole of the honey....

   Saturday 16 October 1847
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

 News of the Neighbouring Towns. ALTRINCHAM Monster Mushrooms.—Three mushrooms were gathered this week, in Hale, weighing unwards of a pound each, the largest measuring twelve inches across; we never saw such before

Friday 24 December 1847
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

 A RABBIT COURSING for Fat PIG, A weight. 35 score, to be ran for at the house of Mr. Henry Lees, the sign of the Wolf, Hale, near Altrincham;   no dog to exceed 221bs.;   
 

 Saturday 08 January 1848
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire
 
THE EARL OF STAMFORD AND WARRINGTON’S BIRTHDAY
Good health of the Earl of Stamford and Warrington, and longlife to him. The toast was received with unbounded applause. The toasts which next followed were the health of the noble Earl's sister, Lady Margaret Milbank, the only near relative of the Earl

Saturday 23 June 1849
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

 crops.-the proximity to the railway terminus, at Hale Moss, near Altrincham, renders this property desirable to any party wishing to combine a country residence with convenient access to Manchester.-Hale Lodge house, which is in good repair, is pleasantly situated ...

  Saturday 01 May 1852
  Preston Chronicle
  Lancashire

FIRES ON THE MOORS AND MOSSES
  The moss is the property of the Earl of Stamford and Warrington, who will be the only sufferer. On Monday the wind having subsided, all further danger was considered at an end. 
 



 

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« Reply #41 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:28 GMT (UK) »
 
 Saturday 03 September 1853
 Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire


... Manchester and Altrincham turnpike-road and the Duke of Bridge water's Canal, and is in high state of cultivation. Lot 2. All that Field or Close of LAND, situate near Hale Moss, in Altringham aforesaid, called the Moss Field or Dirty Meadow, containing la. lr. Ip. of the large Cheshire measure or thereabouts, and now in the occupation of Thomas Gibbon, tenant. ...
   


Saturday 29 October 1853
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

 THE EARL OF STAMFORD AND WARRINGTCN'S RENTS.—Notice hereby given, for the receipt of the RESERVED and CHIEF RENTS due to the Earl of Stamford and Warrington at Michaelmas Day last, for the manor and parish of Ashton-under-Lyne, in the county...........
 
  Tuesday 17 October 1876
  Manchester Evening News
  Lancashire

LOCAL AND DISTRICT NEWS
... Philological Society in London. In the course his paper Mr. Crofton computed the number of gipsies in Lancashire and Cheshire, including the permanent camp at Altrincham, to be about 300. There are several family graves in the parish churchyard at Ashton-under- .....
 
Monday 06 May 1878
 Manchester Evening News
  Lancashire 

 Mossley Road, ln Ashton-under-Lyne aforesaid, containg superficial yards or thereabouts, subject to the payment to the Earl of Stamford and a yearly chief or ground rent of £6. Is., together with the substantial and convenient Dwelling- House known as Springfield ...


Friday 15 November 1878
  Manchester Evening News
  Lancashire

FREEHOLD PLOT of LAND, situate near Hale Moss, Altrincham aforesaid, part whereof is fronting the Altrincham Gasworks, commonly called Dirty Meadow, containing 2a. 3r. and 10p., statute measure or thereabouts   

  Monday 25 October 1880
 Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire


.. Saturday afternoon, Mr. Joseph Gaskaith, mayor of Altrincham, opened a new park at Altrincham, in the presence of an immense number of people. The park consists of a piece of ground formerly known as Hale Moss, and consisting of 16 acres land, which has been ...


Friday 11 October 1901
  Manchester Evening News
  Lancashire


MANCHESTER AND ITS SUBURBS
... obtaining a quid pro quo in respect of freeholders' rights Hale Moss, which has been enclosed by the trustees. They are also endeavouring to arrive at a settlement of the question on whether the roads on the moss are highways repairable by the inhabitants............. 


  Tuesday 07 August 1906
 Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
  Lancashire

EARL OF STAMFORD'S WELCOME. PRESENTATION OF ADDRESSES. To morrow the Earl Stamford takes up his residence at Dunham Park, Bowdon. The occasion naturally will give rise to celebrations on a considerable scale, and in addition to the festivities usual at ...
 

   
   Friday 28 February 1908
  Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
 Lancashire


 Altrincham Urban District Council, twenty-six dwellings having been erected, at a cost of £4,260, on a site reclaimed from Hale Moss. The houses, which have all been let, are semi-detached, and the rents range from 3s. to 4s. 9d. weekly. ...

if you look at the story above and see how it cost £4,260, to build twenty-six dwellings in 1908 then go back a page on here to 1913 to the death of William West and see how he left an estate of the gross value of £4,462. it just goes to show how wealthy a person he had become, this is how you use the storys to educate yourself to the bigger picture, read into the storys they all come alive

 

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« Reply #42 on: Sunday 29 December 19 20:36 GMT (UK) »
   
click on this web site  "Friends of Stamford Park" you will read of the old history of Hale Moss,
read  about the Gipsies of Hale Moss

small extract

"Gypsies in Hale had well-known leaders Charles and Emperor Boss. In 1871 a Boss family on the Moss consisted of Uriah, his wife Sinai, and Uriah’s father Joseph. A second Boss family was Charles, his wife Lyari and children Eli, Walter and Emperor. In 1881 the Boss family on the Moss consisted of Charles, Emperor, Uriah, Eli, Lyari, Walter, Sinai, Agnes, and children Annie, Famie and Rhoda".
http://www.friendsofstamfordpark.org.uk/history/

remember Emporer Boss age 27 trade a hawker last known address Duncan square Oswaldtwistle  on the previous page, it must be the same Family, maybe its the same person

 look at this below, its like the advert the Wests had on above from the fiftys to, just look at the posts above now the names have changed from West to Douglas and their selling up Scotland i dont know what to think, i could have the lot wrong 

Wednesday 03 November 1954
  Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail
  Durham   

 ... CARPETS DIRECT FROM MILLS AND PRINCIPAL WAREHOUSES TO USER. H. DOUGLAS A SON (Licensed Hawker), Duncan Square, Accrinton. Lancs, OWING TO COLOSSAL DEMAND ANOTHER GREAT SALE of CARPETS and RUGS AT THE PALACE HOTEL, MAINSFORTH TER., WEST H’POOL, 
 

Friday 10 October 1958
Arbroath Herald and Advertiser for the Montrose Burghs
Angus
Scotland
 
CARPETS LARGE CARPETS AT BANKRUPT PRICES
... TO GIVE HARD WEAR. PLEASE NOTE: We have positively No Connection with any other firm. H. DOUGLAS (Licensed Hawker). Duncan Square. Oswaldtwistle. 
   
Friday 26 September 1958
Arbroath Herald and Advertiser for the Montrose Burghs
Angus
Scotland
 
FRIDAY ...CARPETS CARPETS DIRECT FROM MILLS AND PRINCIPAL WAREHOUSES TO USER OWING TO COLOSSAL DEMAND ANOTHER GREAT SALE ..
... TO GIVE HARD WEAR. PLEASE NOTE: We have positively No Connection with any other firm H. DOUGLAS (Licensed Hawker), Duncan Square, Oswaldtwistle. ...

Wednesday 06 April 1955
Aberdeen Evening Express
Aberdeenshire
Scotland

PLEASE NOTE: have positively no connection with any other  Licensed Hawker. DOUGLAS DUNCAN SQUARE. ACCRINGTON


 

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« Reply #43 on: Saturday 20 February 21 21:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi

 I am trying to locate the Heron tree that is offten wrote about i have seen it on-line several times in different formats, i am d.n.a related to a Heron Lady in this day who was born from the people below i have at present found over three hundred Gipsy related match's in my d.n.a that all hold clues if you take the time to read into them, this Lady who was born a Heron shares with me over eighty d.n.a related match's with other people who all are in or from the Gipsy Family as a whole it covers the whole range of my ancestry as regards the cousin sequence from first to eighth i wish to see how these people below join up to the wider  Boswell and Heron trees, i know there are these Boswell lines that have been the topic of much conversation and research over many years by literally everyone who dips their foot into the vast ocean of genealogy to quote a noted researcher who wrote to me long ago "they have been done to death" truthfully i have several Boswell d.n.a ancestral connection's that spans the globe and unlike the called lines i think and know through researching my own unique d.n.a to me that all the clusters interlink through the mingling of family's as a whole there is no such thing as a distink line, you can make a family look that way by writing in a format that may confuse the natural evolution to the learning's of a persons mind and hoodwink generations into a false belief that a mirage is a actual scene, truthfull a mirage is an actual scene yet is it no more than a Shakespearean wordplay that went on to rock the literal world true the mirage is in front of you so it is true yet to look beyond that which your eyes see is the focus that should and is sort by myself, so in this family below that connects to me and over eighty of my d.n.a match's that span the full range of the Gipsy's like the Lovell's Bucklands Lees and Smith of the well known names that are interspersed throughout my d.n.a in clusters and also names unknown yet they to contain all the noted peoples and family's that are wrote about throughout the history's of the written times of the people known to us in these lands as the Gipsy's, in this Heron family below i find them to be a kind of Mother ship that may be through my own personal d.n.a research well they could turn out to be proof that these family's that cross the cluster sequence and interlink several cluster are a founding family in Britain that then went also across the globe as my own d.n.a shows, there will be several of these founding family's i am sure if a person looks into their d.n.a in an honest manner they will evolve honest thought, you do not have to wring something dry to extract that which you seek, just look at history in whatever tapestry and see beyond the mirage i think there was founding family's and maybe only a few that contained clusters that roamed Europe by looking for founding family's in your d.n.a the way i do you may be able to get closer to these Europeans who themselves came out of older clusters from lands further afield, i am sure i am right in how i am researching my own genealogy through the cousin sequence in my d.n.a, if anyone can put up family trees of these people below i would be grateful, other people who hold far more cousin d.n.a that runs into the thousands may not be able to see through such a stocked yard, so by myself in being a person who is at the end of his line and also not noted in any way by the scholars of this day, for truthfully to i am bound to no man and kneel before no one, i could never sell myself out for the want of perage adulation never mind to cast my eyes to the strangers gaze in the hope of being loved, only a fool from the thought and times of long ago who chanced and danced around their local village to the drum beat of the jingled three pointed belled hat dofted from their low held head in admiration to their masters bidding and who then craved and longed for a crown that could never unfree the unchained yet the belled jingled tongue suited more their station in life in this day as also the past, it is far easier for the truth to appear in front of my own eyes, others may not see things but i tell the truth the Stanley's in my own d.n.a are also a interlinking founding cluster, this is only the truth that i have found at these present times you can see below how the Young's evolve out of the Herons in this tree, i have several Young's in my d.n.a in closer times than the Herons yet the Herons hold more family interlinking names than the Young's, to me this is evidence to which i have wrote of here, all you have to do is look with honest eyes
 
 

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Clones Heron 1918–1973 r.i.p
came out of Amos Heron and Elsie Bosswell  Amos Heron came out of William Heron it is not shown on the free bits who Williams Mother and Father were, Elsie Bosswell came out of William Heron and Jane Boswell
no more is shown freely on this line, this is my dna match's Fathers line of descent, on the Mothers line it starts with Edith Pattison
1928–2011 r.i.p who came out of a male who's name is just shown as private, her Mother was Martha Young, the unknown male came out of Helen Welch and Thomas Pattison, Martha Young came out of  Rhoda Boswell and Noah Heron, no more is shown on this tree, i could write to my dna Cousin match but i do not really do that kind of thing, i just like to learn of things in my own way 
 

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« Reply #44 on: Monday 04 October 21 06:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Daisy,  (daisydew7)

Through dna testing I have several Young/Heron matches, two of them come down through Frampton, one through Nathan and the other through Joseph who both are the sons of Frampton many of the Young's seam to have connection's themselves to Scotland plus the far lands to the East, these are distant Cousin matches to me that must predate them going to America, all the names you write of are in my matches tree that they put up for me to see, you have to match first though, see if you can find me on Ancestry my profile name is (michael Leahcim) we may match for I have male and females dna matches from America who are straight descended down from Frampton plus several more American Young's they are all connected to the Palmer's Robinsons Williamsons Lovell's and everyone you could think of, another of the Young's who I match to comes out of the Blackpool Young's, its hard to find everything out though for just as the many that let you see free bits well others put up nothing, they make you write to them evan though you dna match, so i will just have to rely on what i find, this is what you wrote below.

Re: Romany DNA - what would you expect to see?
  Friday 01 October 21
 
“Hello, I’ve known my whole life that I had Romany, however I never heard my dad or my granny use that term…it was always Gypsy. My dad and granny spoke their Rom language fluently. Some people find Gypsy derogatory but it was used in my family. My granny was 100% Rom. Her dad was Joseph Young son of Frampton Young( Heron). Her mother was Delilah Boss daughter of Sampson Boss who was son of the infamous Riley Boss.

Myself, my brother, my niece and my cousin all are matching DNA on Ancestry to lots and lots of cousins that we can trace and prove are all Romany  full or otherwise.  With that said I am only a 1/4 ROM. My Dad 1/2 and my granny full. Look at your DNA match and check who their matching. I guess if you are researching and not sure if you have Rom or not it could be more challenging for sure.

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  Wednesday 15 May 19
 
 “michael
Riley Boss and his wife Lucy are my 3rd great grandparents but I am also related to the Hearn, Heron/ Young Family.....this is interesting. Eric Trudgill has been very helpful too as well as Anne. I find your posts here informative. Most my research has been found on my family after arriving in the USA. My great great grandfather Frampton Young came to America from England in 1855. My gg grandfather Samson Boss ( Son Of Riley and Lucy Boss) came to America as well as his Mother in the 1860’s . Thank you for posting this information.
Here is a marriage certificate of My gg grandfather Frampton’s youngest son Nathan and Pinkney, married in the USA”.


Daisy, if you go on this link below it shows you information about everything, you have to keep clicking on (next) or (back) at the bottom of each page to see more pages, I use these pedigrees shown on this web site to trace back the Family's that I dna match to, I know things may have been wrote wrong and outdated but most will be about right, I have lots of Boswell matches well several but just one straight down the line Boss but lots have the Bosses in them anyway like the ones I match to from Framptons lot, I will find and put up here more information about the Heron Young's I hope I have been of help to you, I have no idear how I connect to the Heron Young's Hearnes Herrings, not a clue but in this day I share dna with the descendant's of these Family's, in life you can only carry that which you hold, plus Ancestry are updating their Ethnicity in peoples profiles, i have noticed several Gipsy Family's now have connections to the Bengal region,this placers their travels further East, i wonder what will the science make of this, the Heron Young's offten show the Eastern lands in their Ethnicity, you just have to look at their Family history in what i have read through my dna clusters and you know that they are one of the Old lot, some names i have found to are from a very old time yet i have seldom heard their name mentioned, i do not think though that such things would be of trouble to them, in my mind Daisy you was right about the word Gipsy, its a proud word, when i came on the internet i met many people and listened into many conversations, then i listened how they downgraded the word Gipsy for the proper word was Roma, now i wondered what were people talking about, sure Romany is a good name but how can you be a Romany without being a Romany Gipsy, no one can be a Gipsy or descend from them unless you are a Romany Gipsy, it would be like walking around with no legs, that's the way of the lands round these British isles in my mind and that's the way of it, well that's just what i think, i am just a scrag end but the whole bit of scrag once came of some good stuff, i,ll wear my Gold Coins till i die.

http://www.geocities.ws/seraphim_angel_2002/HeronPedigree.html
http://www.geocities.ws/seraphim_angel_2002/HeronPedigree2.html
http://www.geocities.ws/seraphim_angel_2002/HeronPedigree3.html