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Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:38 BST (UK) »
My proven 3rd g-grandparents are John Campbell b. 1786, d. 31 Oct 1868 in Lyhaid, Latheronwheel, Caithness; and Janet Sutherland b. 1795, d. 17 Jan 1873 in Ramscraigs, Dunbeath
John's parents are William Campbell and Isabella Gow; Janet's parents are Robert Sutherland and Janet Sutherland.
Can anyone extend these lines for me--it would be so appreciated.
Roberta Dodge

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 September 18 11:52 BST (UK) »
Have you checked www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for the marriages of William & Robert, if so when were they married?

Did John and Janet have any siblings that might help to establish a naming pattern for their parents parents.

In Caithness alone there are some 30 + births for William & Robert.

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 September 18 15:52 BST (UK) »
Because there are so many listed, I gave up on Scotland's people.  There is no way to know for certain which one is which.  The main reason I have proof so far is from death certificates naming the parents.  Otherwise, I can't seem to get anywhere very fast.


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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 September 18 17:34 BST (UK) »
Do you have any other information on John & Janet other than their death record, such as census returns, marriage or children's births?

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 September 18 20:49 BST (UK) »
Roberta, is this Laidhay where the Crofting Museum is?

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 September 18 22:35 BST (UK) »
John Campbell b. 1786 Latheron Parish, Berriedale, Caithness, d. 31 Oct 1868 Lyhaid, Latheronwheel, Caithness, m. Janet Sutherland b. 1795, Latheron Parish, Berriedale, d. 17 Jan 1873, Ramscraigs, Dunbeath, Caithness.
1841 Census: 1841 Latheron Parish, Berriedale, Caithness, Scotland census, p. 8-9, Lower Borgue. John Campbell 45y, fisherman; Janet 46y, Janet 18y, George 15y, all b. Caithness.  Also living with them is George Grant 12y, agricultural laborer, b. Caithness.
1851 Census: 1851, 38, p. 2, #5, Bualglass: John Campbell 65y, farmer of 4 acres, Janet 68y, son George 24, unm., ploughman, all b. Latheron, Caithness.
Children:
 Isabella Campbell b. 25 Dec 1814, Latheron Parish, d. 6 Sep 1900, Ramscraigs; m. 18 Jan 1836, Latheron Parish, to John Murray, b. 13 Apr 1809, Kildonan, Sutherlandshire, d. 1875.  1851, 1861, 1871 censuses.
 Janet Campbell b. 28 Jan 1820, Latheron Parish, d. 9 Dec 1901, Borgue, Berriedale, m. 2 Jan 1846 to Robert Gunn b. c. Feb 1813, Caithness-shire, d. 15 Oct 1897 Borgue, Berriedale.
1851, 1871, 1881 censuses.
 George Campbell (my 2nd g-grandfather) bp. 5 Dec 1823, Latheron Parish, Berriedale, d. 2 Jul 1889, Berriedale, m. 26 Dec 1851 to Catharine Bain bp. 29 Nov 1822 Latheron Parish, Berriedale, d. 29 Jun 1900 Berriedale
1861, 1871, 1881 censuses.

John Campbell's death certificate:
Parish of Latheron in the County of Caithness, Scotland, p. 29.
John Campbell, pauper (formerly a crofter & fisherman), m. to Janet Sutherland; d. 1868, October Thirty-First, 5h 30 min P.M., Lyhaid, Latheronwheel.  Male, aged 82 years
Father: William Campbell, farmer (deceased)
Mother: Isabella Campbell; maiden surname Gow (deceased)
Cause of death: Asthma, 2 years, no regular medical attendant.
Informant:  Robert Campbell, brother, present.
Registered:  2 Nov 1868 at Latheron, Alex. Gunn, Registrar

Janet Sutherland's death record:  Parish of Latheron in the County of Caithness, Scotland, p. 3.
Janet Campbell, pauper (widow of John Campbell, crofter & fisherman).
Died 7 Jan 1873, 1h. 0 min, A.M., Ramsanaigs, Dunbeath, aged 94 years.
Father: Robert Sutherland, crofter & fisherman (deceased).
Mother: Janet Sutherland, maiden name Sutherland (deceased).
Cause of death: Debility from old age.
Informant: John Murray, son-in-law, present, Alex. Gunn, witness, Registrar.
Registered: 14 Jan 1873 at Latheron, Alex. Gunn, Registrar.

The 1871 Census for Latheron Parish:
1871 Scotland Census, Latheron Parish, ED: 17; Line: 2, Page: 16, HH #90.
Very large household with occupants listed alphabetically.  No Campbells.  Includes: John Murray 63y, Isabela Murray 55y, Thomas 25y, Betsey 22y, Robert 18y, Isabella 16y, & James 13y. [This family of Murrays contains  Isabela and her family which are Janet's daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren.]  29 Sutherlands including Catherine 94y and Janet 93y.

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 September 18 11:22 BST (UK) »
Latherton Old Parish Records on SP

Births 1740 - 1854 Marriages 1755 - 1854 Deaths 0

An interesting baptism on Freereg for William Campbell 11 Apr 1767 father John abode Berrydale. The record is also on SP same date. However he would only be 16 if the birth below is correct?

Also for Isabell Gow 21 Jan 1761 father Kenneth abode  ?? Sohachurn, Latherton, on SP but only the year,

Sadly no marriage record for the above.

Several possible births at Latherton on Freereg for Robert & Janet but no marriage.

Most likely record for John on SP. This may be a birth date for there is a baptism on Freereg 6 Nov 1783 the abode is noted as Plontich, Latherton.

CAMPBELL   JOHN   WILLIAM CAMPBELL   12/02/1783   Latheron

No record for Janet in the county or elswhere, age at death varies greatly from census so I checked a wide period. No marriage record for John & Janet.

Hope some of this helps.

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 September 18 11:34 BST (UK) »
PS: I wonder if this could be the marriage of Robert & Janet (Janet, Jean, Jane is possible)
SUTHERLAND   ROBERT   JEAN SUTHD./   08/02/1784   Latheron

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Re: Searching for parentage of William Campbell and Robert Sutherland
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 September 18 16:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your response.  You can see why I gave up on Scotland's People.
I just realized that I have children for Robert and Janet Sutherland: Robert Sutherland b. c. 1792 d. 6 Nov 1858, Westerdale, Caithness, m. Elizabeth McKenzie; and Catherine b. c. 1811 who was on the 1871 census with Janet.
There is possibly another clue.  John Campbell and Janet Sutherland's daughter Janet m. Robert Gunn in 1846 as stated in my last posting.  Robert Gunn's parents were John Gunn b. 1788, d. 16 Sep 1861 and Henrietta Sutherland b. 1794, d. 8 Apr 1878, both d. in Ramscraigs, Dunbeath, the same place that Janet Sutherland d. in 1873.  Are Janet and Henrietta somehow related?