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Re: James W Ladner Ruan Minor
« Reply #9 on: Friday 05 October 18 23:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks hanes teulu. At present, I have not subscribed to old maps, but found the Old Post Office and a photograph of it in 1931, so assume it was located at the same place in 1911. Very close to Treworder Farm where they first lived as well as the church and school. Understandable why it was referred to as Churchtown in the electoral registers. On one side there is a semi-detached cottage called Fuchsia Cottage which may not be the original name and Google-Maps does not allow me to see the other side.

A local history group meet in the Post Office café area, every 3rd Tuesday of the month. I sent an email to the (new) post office before being aware of the group. The response said they had only been in the village for five years so did not know the location of Glebe Cottage. I will arrange to visit again and try to meet the group.

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Glebe Cottage - Ruan Minor
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 10 October 18 19:58 BST (UK) »
In Ruan Minor I am searching for Glebe Cottage where James William and Harriett Ladner lived. See my other post relating to their life, but because this is about a property, I felt it best to start a fresh post. Being a newbie, I never thought of questioning the meaning of Glebe.

Glebe Land Definition: Glebe is land owned in order to provide income, to pay parochial clergy. Once part of a parish priest’s ancient freehold, and passed on from vicar to vicar, glebe income provided the means to live; however many parishes, particularly urban ones, had no glebe and so clergy incomes varied widely and unfairly. Glebe in this diocese consists mainly of agricultural land and commercial properties, all of which are handled by specialist agents.

Was Glebe Cottage owned by the Church of England?
Ruan Minor: St Rumon – Church Code: 639053
The name suggests it was, and the family had very close links with the church.
My hunch is, at some point after 1941 when J.W. Ladner died, the cottage was sold and then renamed.

Is there anywhere I can look at records relating to Glebe property?
I have sent an email to Truro Diocese, but to date there has been no response.

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Re: Glebe Cottage - Ruan Minor
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 10 October 18 21:24 BST (UK) »
Link to previous post

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Re: Glebe Cottage - Ruan Minor
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 October 18 00:00 BST (UK) »
There is mention on the other thread about Glebe Cottage being before the PO on the 1911 census.

If you look at this side by side map you can see that most of the properties still stand so it is likely that Glebe Cottage does too:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=49.9934&lon=-5.1820&layers=168&right=BingHyb

I presume you have seen the Francis Frith photos?
https://www.francisfrith.com/ruan-minor/ruan-minor-the-church-1931_84298

You might have more luck with a local history group:
http://www.ruanminorstore.co.uk/community.php
(if they don't know the answer they might know where to look to find it)




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Re: Glebe Cottage - Ruan Minor
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 October 18 21:45 BST (UK) »
I have seen the photographs. Until I visit again next week, I do not know if there is a property the other side of the post office, or if it is only farm outbuildings. My hunch is a semi-detached cottage, which is next door and shown in the photographs. It is now called Fuchsia Cottage and probably not original. The only issue is a path that runs between the old post office and Fuchsia Cottage and another the other side. On present maps, one building now makes Leggy's pasties. When the property is described as being next to the post office, but in which direction?

I do not have access to census records, apart from in the library, and do not know how to search for a road, or row of houses. Establishing the neighbours, or even more houses, their names may not have changed and it would also confirm the direction. If looking at the old post office, to the left, there is Trewarder Farm and possibly a house between, but no more. Right of the post office there would be many houses.

Starting this search the other month, I contacted the owners of the present post office/general store looking for Glebe Cottage. Their reply said they could not help as they had only lived in the village for 5 years. They did not mention the local history group that meet there the 3rd Tuesday each month. I am now aware of the group and hoping to meet with them next week.

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Re: Glebe Cottage - Ruan Minor
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 October 18 22:44 BST (UK) »
I don't think it can be Fuchsia Cottage - there was a Fuchsia Cottage in Ruan Minor in 1939 and it was next to the Post Office.  Between Treworder and Glebe Cottage, there appear the following:
Rose Cottage; The Haven (which was a bungalow); and Glebe House. 
Poltesco Mill appears after Glebe Cottage and this is not in the village itself.  Fuchsia Cottage is 18th century in origin and a listed building:
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=64633&mode=quick

The original Post Office is also a listed building:
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/details/default.aspx?id=64631

and the Haven is another:
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/details/default.aspx?id=64634

The Post Office changed locations between 1911 and 1960 - probably by 1939.  I've drawn some arrows on the map ruskie posted.

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Re: Glebe Cottage - Ruan Minor
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 11 October 18 23:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks Little Nell. I assumed the old post office was just that. It did not cross my mind there was an even older one. Next door to the 1911 post office, there is a row of cottages, and the end one might be Glebe Cottage. I did look at them when I was in the village last month.
In being called Glebe Cottage, it suggests being owned by the church. The family had close links to the Church of England and he taught in their schools. When they lived there, it was Glebe Cottage, but after 1941 when he died, it may have been sold. At that point its name could have changed. On Google Maps I cannot see a name on it, but next door is Whelk Cottage. There is also a cottage behind the 1911 post office.

If Poltesco follows Glebe Cottage, there are two old cottages just as you leave the village towards Poltesco.

Talking to some of the older locals, there was an awareness of Glebe Cottage, but they could not place it. Some complained of outsiders moving into the village and changing house names to Cornish ones, even though they are not Cornish.

The issue is, when did the post office move? From 1923 to 1941, the Ladners lived in Glebe Cottage.

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 11 October 18 23:26 BST (UK) »
So is there a local estate agent??

They often have old maps etc...
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