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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 September 18 11:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for everything so far.  There is a marriage between Emma Jane Harrison (Risley) in 4th qtr 1920 in West Derby to John K Quilliam and the 1939 census confirms this and lists 2 sons George E and Alexander.  When you check this back to the 1911 census it says John and Emma have been married for 13 years but I cannot find a marriage reference.  It also lists a father in law as Samuel Disley.  Now I am even more confused.  Any Further advice?
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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 September 18 11:56 BST (UK) »
Here are John and Emma in 1901 3443/23/38

John Quilliam 39 yrs House Painter b Isle of Man
Emma Quilliam   22 yrs
Samuel Quilliam   3 months
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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 27 September 18 15:33 BST (UK) »
Here are John and Emma in 1901 3443/23/38

John Quilliam 39 yrs House Painter b Isle of Man
Emma Quilliam   22 yrs
Samuel Quilliam   3 months

But Samuel's birth was registered 1898  ??? Unless it was a different Samuel.
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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 27 September 18 16:09 BST (UK) »
Unless it should read 3 years and not 3 months

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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 27 September 18 16:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks for everything so far.  There is a marriage between Emma Jane Harrison (Risley) in 4th qtr 1920 in West Derby to John K Quilliam and the 1939 census confirms this and lists 2 sons George E and Alexander.  When you check this back to the 1911 census it says John and Emma have been married for 13 years but I cannot find a marriage reference.  It also lists a father in law as Samuel Disley.  Now I am even more confused.  Any Further advice?
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Search for a death of Emma's 1st husband anytime between her 2 marriages. Not an easy task with a common name William Harrison. Try divorce records too. Look for a prior marriage of John Quilliam as well.
1st marriage must have been extremely short-lived. Perhaps it was a marriage of convenience or a "shotgun weddding". Maybe Emma wasn't sure which man was father of Samuel and she married the wrong one. It would be interesting to see Samuel's birth certificate to find out exactly what's on it, when he was born and if John Quilliam was named as father. 
Look for prior connections between John Quilliam and Emma's family and William Harrison and Emma's family and between John Quilliam and William Harrison.
A man in my FT died 6 weeks after he married Ann Bonney in 1824. 10 years later his younger brother married a woman called Ann Bonney. No further information so I don't know if it was the same woman.

My grandparents also misrepresented facts about their marriage on 1911 census. They'd both been married before and each had a child from 1st marriage who were on census with my GF's surname.
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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 September 18 16:58 BST (UK) »
Here are John and Emma in 1901 3443/23/38

John Quilliam 39 yrs House Painter b Isle of Man
Emma Quilliam   22 yrs
Samuel Quilliam   3 months

But Samuel's birth was registered 1898  ??? Unless it was a different Samuel.

I had checked already but had another look.

March quarter 1901
Samuel James Edward Quilliam mmn Risley

I canít see a birth for 1898  ???
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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 27 September 18 17:11 BST (UK) »
28th November 1898 St Maryís Kirkdale

William Harrison 22 yrs 14 Summers Gardens, Miller, father James Harrison, Labourer
Emma Jane Risley 18 yrs, 6, Summers Gardens, Father Samuel Risley, Metal Planer

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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 27 September 18 20:43 BST (UK) »
Births registered QUILLIAM mmn RISLEY (GRO):
(Modified to include deaths)
Dec qtr 1898 West Derby Samuel James Edward
Jun qtr 1903 West Derby William Charles (died Sep qtr 1904 West Derby)
Jun qtr 1905 West Derby John Henry (died Sep qtr 1905 West Derby)
Jun qtr 1906 West Derby Joseph
Sep qtr 1909 Wirral George Ernest
Sep qtr 1912 West Derby Emma Jane
Mar qtr 1915 West Derby Alexander

I was just going by the Samuel James Edward registration above.
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Re: Eliza E Quilliam 1918
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 27 September 18 22:18 BST (UK) »
I see.
Perhaps just an error in recording -it is the same year and quarter as the marriage.
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