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Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« on: Friday 28 September 18 10:34 BST (UK) »
Wilhelm Christian Faass (also known as Christian Wilhelm Faass) born on Dec 1st 1830 in Hamburg, Germany.

No record of birth certificate, only a church register of his Baptism in May 1831 at St Jacobi in Hamburg.

Arrived Bluff, New Zealand on 12th August 1867 from Melbourne, Australia on the vessel Rangitoto.

Looking for any further information on Wilhelm's German family and ancestors

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Alex G
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Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 September 18 12:14 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I don't know if it helps, but here is a link to a page from the Hamburg address book for 1831. There are 2 Faass' listed - maybe they are relatives of your Wilhelm..?

http://agora.sub.uni-hamburg.de/subhh-adress/digbib/view?did=c1:291218&p=79&z=125

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Karen
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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 September 18 17:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Alex

it would help if you posted the baptism register document

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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 September 18 20:16 BST (UK) »
Karen and Dave

Thank you for your help and assistance. 

Wilhelm Christian Faass was a problem that has been troubling me for years. Life is full of surprises as I posted not expecting to hear a thing.

I will locate the Baptism Cert and post over the next few days.

Cheers

Alex G
Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk


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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 September 18 20:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Alex

just for the books.

One of the 2 Faass entries in the Hamburg Address Book that Karen posted is called
August Wilhelm Eduard Faass.

I found a death certificate for an Ida Johanna Elisabeth Faass born 1827 in Hamburg.
Daughter of August Wilhelm Eduard Faass and Ida Wagner.

This could be a first lead.
Ida born 1827
your Wilhelm Christian born 1831
could be the same family.

If you give us all the info you have, we may be able to help.

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Dave

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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 September 18 04:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Dave and Karen

Please find attached the St Jacobi Baptism Certificate. 

None of the names recorded appear to match what yourself and Karen have uncovered.

I so wish that I could read and understand German !!

Have also attached Wilhelm's Death Cert in New Zealand.

Cheers

Alex G
Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 September 18 16:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Alex,

That is a very helpful document!

As you know, Christian was born 01.12.1830 and christened on 01.05.1831.

The rest is simply:

Parents:
Father: Johann Heinrich Faass, born in Buxtehude (close to Hamburg), profession: bookkeeper
Mother: Margarethe Wilhelmina Faass, maiden name: Menck, born in Altona (Hamburg)
Married 09.10.1825 in Hamburg

Godparents: Henriette Rosine Zieger, Caroline Amalia Menck, Wilhelm Stemwede

The stuff at the bottom is to say that it is a certified copy of the record.

Best regards,
Karen

P.S. I was just googling the names. There is so little to be found, but I discovered this Dutch website:

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-lokhorst/I3960.php

Until I saw this, I would have said that there were probably not many Johann Heinrich Faass' from Hamburg around that time. Let's hope that the name was more common than I thought, otherwise we might have uncovered some iffy goings-on..!  :o
 
The link refers to a Johann H(e)inrich Christian Faass, born in Hamburg on 02.04.1793.
He died in Nijmegen/NL on 12.03.1858.
He married twice (both times in Nijmegen) and had (at least) 5 children. One boy died aged 12 days, one girl died as a small tot and they gave the next daughter exactly the same names (if the record is correct).

It might be worth contacting Arwo Lokhorst, whose tree it is, to see if there are any overlaps or connections, just in case...

And because it's so interesting  ;D I've been googling further and have discovered that Faass is often mistranscribed as Faahs or even Faash. See here:

http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=buxtehude&ID=I17513&nachname=Faahs&lang=de

Might be worth bearing mind. (Don't know if these are relatives!) Or whether it is indeed Christian's father (the three children were born 1813 - 1817, i.e. before the date of the marriage shown in Christian's christening cert.).
 
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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 September 18 19:29 BST (UK) »
Karen

Thank you so much for your time and interest.  Absolutely fascinating what you have discovered.  I now have something to work with.

Kind regards

Alex G
Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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Re: Wilheim Christain Faass ... Hamburg, Germany
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 September 18 09:23 BST (UK) »
HI Alex

here you find August Wilhelm and Carl Ferdinand Faass mentioned in reply 1 and 4

http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=buxtehude&ID=I13968&nachname=Faass&lang=de

they should be uncles of Christian

Regards

Dave