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Fenian excommunication
« on: Friday 28 September 18 12:19 BST (UK) »
Something that alway's bothered me upon finding the death of my great grandfather Matt O'Neill was he was taken from the hospital of incurables straight to Glasnevin in 1905 there appears to have been no church mass before his burial.
There was an obit in the newspaper and apology for such short notice.
I often wonder is this because of Cardinal Cullen and his lackey's excommunication of the Fenian's.

Fr James Doyle from witness statement 1917
''I volunteered as Chaplain to the English Army  in Sep 1917. I walked in Thomas Ashe's funeral in 1917 with my commission in my pocket. Collins delivered an oration which did not at all please me. Collins who was in Volunteer uniform at the graveside,turned to where we priests were standing and deliberately said to us, ''you stand here at the grave of a fenian '' I did not like his attitude. I never liked Collins after that .

perhaps Collins was referring to the excommunication ?
https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-catholic-church-and-fenianism/

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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 September 18 16:33 BST (UK) »
Quite possible.
Does Matt give a religion for himself in the 1901 Census?

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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 September 18 20:32 BST (UK) »
He didn't fill in that form himself did he, his signature doesn't look like the rest of the form.
I wondered if he could have been so annoyed with the church he asked to be brought straight to the graveyard.
Did they have a church in the hospital, or is there one in Glasnevin?


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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 September 18 21:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Sinann
               i am fortunate to have a 1864 copy of a letter written by Matt in England to John Devoy co of the People newspaper which was taken in the raid on same newspaper offices.
So the handwriting is much the same even after 30 odd yrs
Only last week i think i found out why he was in England in 1864 as i came upon a Kennerk family tree which has a warrant for several fenians in 1864 Matt being one of them.

The newspaper article in 1905 only mentions sons dtrs grandchildren and his brother Thomas as the Rev Brother who i thought might be a priest but no a Christian brother.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clontarf_West__Part_of/Malahide_Road_West_Side/21398/

There is no mention of clergy whatsoever.

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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 September 18 21:37 BST (UK) »
Maybe the Mass was at hospital?
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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 September 18 22:03 BST (UK) »
Hallmark i cant doubt that as i really dont know if they would have had mass'es said in hospital back then ?

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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 September 18 13:03 BST (UK) »
there are two Matthew O'Neill buried at Glasnevin

Matthew O'Neill death in 1900 aged 48

Matthew O'Neill death in 1905 aged 74

was matthew a stone cutter?


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Re: Fenian excommunication
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 September 18 13:11 BST (UK) »
did he live at 22 upper gardiner street death 4.4.1905