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Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« on: Friday 28 September 18 16:17 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I'm at a dead end with one of my ancestors.

Her name is Elizabeth Taylor and she was born in Hilmarton, Wiltshire in 1821/1822. She was baptised at Hilmarton Church on 16th Feb 1822.

She had three illegitimate children, Henry Taylor (b. 1839, Hilmarton), William Taylor (b. 1842, Hilmarton) and Eliza Taylor (b. 1846, Hilmarton). They were all illegitimate according to their baptism records that I saw on microfiche at the History Centre.

My brick wall is that after 1846, Elizabeth just seems to disappear. I can't find a marriage or death record for her and all searches for her on later censuses come up blank or with no rock solid proof that any of them are her (there are some Wiltshire Elizabeth Taylors but no Hilmarton and some of the possible towns seem too far away or not similar enough to have got confused in dictating to the census writer).

On the 1851 census all of her children are living with Elizabeth's parents Henry (b. 1794, Tockenham, Wiltshire) and Elizabeth (b. 1795, Bremhill, Wiltshire) but the Elizabeth in question is not there.

I've searched the Immigration and Travel records but that also comes up blank.

Does anybody have any possible hints or tips for me to look at next? She's very much a tricky lady to track down!

Thanks in advance,

Selina
Sprague (Essex and Somerset)
Clark (Essex, Suffolk spec. Glemsford)
Taylor (Wiltshire spec. Hilmarton, Calne, Tockenham, Lyneham)
Light (Somerset, Gloucestershire, Wiltshire)
Kirton (Wiltshire)
Dean (Wiltshire)
Newbury (Wiltshire, Gloucestershire)
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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 September 18 18:26 BST (UK) »
Hilmarton was in the Calne registration district and there is a possible marriage:
Sep qtr 1850, Calne vol 8 p465 TAYLOR Elizabeth (men on same page John BEALE, Abel HART or HURT, Henry LEWIS).  Have you discounted this one?
(There is also a marriage in Sep qtr 1851 Calne vol 8 p447 to Edmund ELMS or Henry HEAVENS, but that was after the date of the 1851 census)

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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 September 18 19:02 BST (UK) »
The 1850 marriage was to John Beale her father was a Jacob Taylor
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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 September 18 19:25 BST (UK) »
The 1850 marriage was to John Beale her father was a Jacob Taylor
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Nice find.  That rules out a local marriage (although I suppose she could have married elsewhere).
I had a quick look on the 1861 census to see if I could find Elizabeth with one or more of the children named on the 1851, but drew a blank.

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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 September 18 16:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your replies both.

I've double checked that marriage on microfiche at the History Centre today as Elizabeth had a brother called Jacob who had passed away by 1850 and a part of me thought perhaps she had been disowned and put her brother down instead... long shot I know.

It wasn't witnessed by anyone who immediately appeared linked to the family and also noted that Elizabeth was living in Goatacre which of course could have been true.

I'm really not sure and think I'm clutching at straws now!
Sprague (Essex and Somerset)
Clark (Essex, Suffolk spec. Glemsford)
Taylor (Wiltshire spec. Hilmarton, Calne, Tockenham, Lyneham)
Light (Somerset, Gloucestershire, Wiltshire)
Kirton (Wiltshire)
Dean (Wiltshire)
Newbury (Wiltshire, Gloucestershire)
Hillier (Wiltshire spec. Avebury)
Hogg (Gloucestershire)
Bromfield (Devon)

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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 September 18 17:09 BST (UK) »
Hi again, in 1861 is John Beale 51 b Crudwell and Elizabeth 30 b Bishopstone and family on RG09/2314/46/12
So possibly not your Elizabeth
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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 September 18 17:41 BST (UK) »
Hi, but then again in 1851 a John Beale 31 b Malmsbury and an Elizabeth 22 b Calne are visitors in Keynsham, Somerset where the first child on 1861 was born?
Census ref HO107/1944/612/10
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EDIT In 1871 as BEAL John 63 b Crudwell occ Farm Baliff, Elizabeth 40 b Goatacre and most of the family in Barnack, Northamptonshire
Census ref RG10/3310/51/11

So again, not looking to be your Elizabeth, this Elizabeth was baptised 8th June 1831 Hilmarton Father Jacob Mother Elizabeth.
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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 September 18 18:59 BST (UK) »
I don't know whether this one is worth investigating.

1861 Census Eling, Hants.

Isaac Taylor 38 Eling Hants.
Elizabeth 36 Hilmarton Wilts.
William 18 Hilmarton Wilts.
Sarah Ann 14 West Cowes IOW
Mary Elizabeth 8 Hilmarton Wilts.
Sophia 0 Eling Hants.

Isaac Taylor though?, William fits but where is Henry 1839 and Elizabeth 1846?

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Re: Elizabeth Taylor - Hilmarton, Wiltshire
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 September 18 19:55 BST (UK) »
William is  enumerated with his grandparents back in Hillmarton in 1861. There's an ELiza the correct age working as a servant in the village.

Isaac and wife Betty are in Hillmarton in 1851. The GRO suggests the children's mmn is Ingram not Taylor, so think this may not be them

ADDED: there are two William Taylors with mmn Ingram b 1842/3 in Calne district, so looks like a coincidence