James Deacon in Berkshire conundrum

[innerspark]

A bit of a conundrum -

I have a set of 18 children all born in East Ilsley (small village in Berkshire), with the parents James Deacon and Sarah.

There are 3 possible James Deacon births and 2 possible marriages to Sarah. (b.1772,1782 and 1787) and then to Sarah Harris and Sarah Vellewise, there is also a Sarah Stanmore marriage nearby.

b.1772 - m.Sarah Harris 1799 - on the find my grave website they are both listed - Sarah d.1837 and James d.1850. It says they have 15 children born to this union. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/45661611/james-deacon

One of the confusing parts is the census records. The 1841 census shows James living with children Ann, Henry, Jesse and Amos...he also appears on the 1851 census with Amos, Jesse, a different wife and lodgers. On both of these censuses, his birth appears to be a different James - around 1790 and James (b.1772) died in 1850, so he wouldn't be on the 1851 Census.
There was a James Deacon born in 1787 in the same village (different parents).

So, the same children as listed on the find a grave side, living with a different James Deacon?

Is there any way that I can be sure that the children share the same parents (James Deacon and Sarah Harris)? as there are 2 particular children that I would like to check if they are siblings - as they seem to have children who marry,

I hope that makes some sense.

Thank you



 

[rosie99]

Just posting details with ages from the 1841 you mention
James Deacon   50   
Ann   Deacon   15   
Henry Deacon   14   
Jesse Deacon    10   
Amos Deacon   8   
all born Berkshire
HO107 / 14 bk6 f8 p10

[Pheno]

Just to add as well as it makes it easier:

1851 Littleworth, East Ilsley, Berks  (HO107/1689/440/35)
James 62
Hannah 46
Jessie 20
Amos 17
Martha 0

Pheno

[rosie99]

2nd marriage for James 18 Feb 1849 East Ilsley
James Deacon - Full age -widower -occ Gardener -father William
Hannah Binham - Spinster - father William Paxton
Residence   East Ilsley

[rosie99]

Burial for that James 20 Jun 1874 at East Ilsley (ADDED Age 87)

Probable burial for his wife age 49 - 18 Aug 1840 - East Ilsley

[KGarrad]

Not too much wrong with ages on 1841/1851 census as far as I can see?

Adult ages on 1841 were generally rounded down to a multiple of 5 years.
So James' stated age of 50 could mean he was any age from 50 to 54.

Age in 1851 was 62 - so it fits nicely

[innerspark]

Rosie99

That's a different James from the other that died in 1850, so, why the same children in the census I wonder?
and how do I know who is who?

The name that struck me was 'Amos' born to James and Sarah Harris, is living with what looks like the other James, it is quite a unique name

[Pheno]

1861 for this family:

Woolvers Road, East Ilsley  (RG09/737/138/30)

James 76
Hannah 57
Martha 9

So this is not the James mentioned by the OP who died in 1850, nor the Hannah who died in 1840.

Suggest then that this James is the correct James which you have followed through but living beyond your suspected death date of 1850 to probably 1874 as found by Rosie.  It doesn't appear that the children are living with a different family in 1851.

Pheno

[rosie99]

I wonder if this is James who we have on census
James Deacon
Sarah Stanmore
Marriage 9 May 1809
Blewberry, Berkshire

ADDED Sorry I see you have already suggested this as a possibility